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Wow, I am impressed with your intelligence. Typical, do you know anything about McCarthyism ? Go back to revisit your American history and try to plant labels on somebody else instead of me, you have no idea. Not a commie bone in my body, I can just think for myself unlike you. You sound as crazy as Glenn Beck!

but if you have the inside scoop, please share.

the members had already agreed to all reductions Walker wanted..I mean, come on, let's call it what is.

Really, are you a personal friend of his? Once again, you don't have a rational argument or a leg to stand on. I'm not going to lie though, that is one sweet picture of you on your avitar avatar!Good luck living in your closed, selfish, narrow minded world. Hope someone turns your perfect little life upside down as was done to those poor people in Wisconsin. Easy to talk when it doesn't aeffect you.Oh yeah, I alsready already mentioned you were selfish. Good luck to you, you must be a good Christian!

Easy to talk when it doesn't affect you.

As such it doesn't, but I guess I'm compassionate enough to realize the hurt it's putting on good hardworking people who certainly aren't making a whole lot of money and have a really tough job.As far as teaching a man to fish, give me a break. Actions speak louder than words. All I see is a lot of selfish people who don't want to pay taxes instead of looking at the good some hardworking people such as teachers are doing with it. If you want to fix what's broken in public education, take a long hard look at what the politicians, and NOT the teachers have done to it. Once again, unless you do it for a living, you have no idea.Just a very small for instance, I'd like to see how some of you would act when a 16 or 17 year old tells you to get fuxxed and gets a warning or minimal punishment.What, my kids don't act that way! Walk a mile in one of those teachers shoes and then you can talk.

No, you certainly should not be able to. What you should do is elect politicians who are truly interested in public education and allow the teachers to do their jobs.The system could be fixed with correct input instead of politicians just making additional rules or programs to keep their jobs.If everyone is so concerned about the state workers unions, how about the politicians taking wage cuts, also while we're at it, I'd like their retirement and healthcare.

Not a current union member but it's my money they're playing with. The only way I get a seat at the negotiation table is by voting in the people aligned with me to the state government.

The people of WI did that when they elected Walker - we're negotiating. Don't like it - don't be a teacher.

Walker's own emails as released due to a FOIA request shows that he was willing to negotiate on everything but about 2 points. Right to work and re-certification.

It's the UNION (via their Dem lackeys) who pulled away and refused to negotiate.

I say this as someone who dated a teacher for 2 years (broke up a year ago- it's current), have many friends who are teachers and my step-mother is in the union. I've seen the work they do, understand it but to fix this state (and I live in WI) - something has to give.

CBA has given this -

Under the Green Bay School District�s collectively bargained Emeritus Program, teaches can retire and receive a year�s worth of salary for working only 30 days over a three year period. This is paid in addition to their already guaranteed pension and health care payouts.

At the average annual salary for a Green Bay teacher of $51,355, this amounts to a daily rate of pay of $1,711.83, or an hourly rate of $213.98. Since most retiring teachers receive higher than average salary, these amounts are, in practice, much higher.

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Due to a 1982 provision of their collective bargaining agreement, Milwaukee Public School teachers actually receive two pensions upon retirement instead of one. The contribution to the second pension is equal to 4.2% of a teacher�s salary, with the school district making 100% of the contribution, just like they do for the first pension. This extra benefit costs taxpayers more than $16 million per year.

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While the Green Bay Emeritus Program actually requires teachers to at least show up for work, the Madison Emeritus Program doesn�t even require that. In addition to their pension payouts, retired Madison public school teachers receive annual payments of at least $9,884.18 per year for enrolling in the Emeritus Program, which requires ZERO days of work.

When this program began, 20 days of work per year were required. Through collective bargaining, the union successfully negotiated this down to zero days.

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Some state employees, due to the nature of their positions, are required to carry pagers during off-duty hours in order to respond to emergency situations. Due to the collective bargaining agreements, these employees are compensated an extra five hours of pay each week, whether they are paged or not.

For an employee earning an average salary of $50,000 per year, this requirement can cost more than $6,000 in additional compensation.

Source: 2008-09 Agreement between the State of Wisconsin and AFSCME Council 24

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Milwaukee Public Schools teacher Megan Sampson was laid off less than one week after being named Outstanding First Year Teacher by the Wisconsin Council of English Teachers. She lost her job because the collective bargaining agreement requires layoffs to be made based on seniority rather than merit.

Informed that her union had rejected a lower-cost health care plan, that still would have required zero contribution from teachers, Sampson said, �Given the opportunity, of course I would switch to a different plan to save my job, or the jobs of 10 other teachers.

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Correctional Officer collective bargaining agreements allow officers a practice known as �sick leave stacking.� Officers can call in sick for a shift, receiving 8 hours of sick pay, and then are allowed to work the very next shift, earning time-and-a-half for overtime. This results in the officer receiving 2.5 times his or her rate of pay, while still only working 8 hours.

In part because of these practices, 13 correctional officers made more than $100,000 in 2009, despite earning base wages of less than $60,000 per year. The officers received an average of $66,000 in overtime pay for an average annual salary of more than $123,000 with the highest paid receiving $151,181.

Source: Department of Corrections

If you can't see the problem with this - nothing will change your mind and I don't feel sorry for what's coming....

And that's all I am going to say about it. I'm done talking. They pass the bill - great, I'm tired of all of it.

I voted in Wisconsin, and knew exactly what I was voting for.

Now it's time for them to get some other work done - concealed carry to start with.