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Originally Posted by Dogger
What is the best all around centerfire hunting cartridge ever designed for non-dangerous game? Not giving points for availability (eg 30-06, 270) but based on pure performance on game, user friendliness for the rifle maker, and utility for the shooter/reloader.


No such critter as �best all around centerfire hunting cartridge ever designed for non-dangerous game�. �Best� is very subjective and, accordingly, there will be many correct answers.



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Originally Posted by rta48
laugh Bob your sig. line is just proof that with age comes both wisdom and the balls to state facts wink


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The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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For over 30 years the .270 Win killed anything Idaho had to offer with ease and that's my use,not my Dad's or grandpa's..Way before the 7MM Mag hit the market....37 years later....

The internet is full of hooey with the need for speed....The 30-06 and 375 H&H are famous at factory velocities not the hyped up reloaded mach 3....

Lets see how many post start out with out a XXX grain at 3200 fps out of a super duper Mashed out caliber.........

The heart and soul of hunting don't do that..They just fill the freezer with food every year regardless of caliber because they are hunters we call...The normal Joe!!!!!


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Originally Posted by Brad
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I love the 7x57, too...

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30-06


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Model 70's in 30-06 and 375 H&H are the only two hunting rifles that I currently use.

But if I was limited to only one rifle in North America, to use on everything from varmints to bear, I wouldn't feel the least bit handicapped using my old 30-06 loaded with 180 GR Partitions.

It's very accurate, even with factory loaded ammunition, completely reliable, and with good bullet placement very deadly.

What more could you ask from a 'do it all' cartridge.


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So like why did they make the .270 Win in 1925? grin

Think about it..A necked down '06 that works and it was so popular and deadly,Remington had to try and magnetize it some 37 years later, and call it the 7MM (hit 'em again)Rem Mag... grin

When I grow up,I want a 7MM...

Best cartridge ever....Wow.....Maybe the 30-30...Ehhh...


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A Remington Model 700, in 300 Win Mag, it will do the job on any big game animal in north America.

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358 winchester with short barrel for brush.

7mm rem mag with 26 inch barrel and 180 VLD. The 270 just doesn't have the bullet selection I want.

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Those of great hubris...and over-inflated sense of self importance, would have us believe that a 270 is fabulous,and a 300 mag the ultimate.......That there is "magic" when a 130 or 180 gr bullet is started at 3100 fps.....but the necromancy sorta dissapears when a 160 or 175gr 7mm bullet starts at the same velocity smirk...and that something sitting squarely between the two (a 7 mag), is some how inferior to the others....implying that "we"(the rest of us) are somehow "stupid" for not agreeing...... sick grin

They base this stuff on made-up stories of one elk that "got away" after a hit with a 7mm....likely for reasons having nothing to do with cartridge adequacy....most probably sloppy and indifferent marksmanship.

This sort of illogical drivel is usually perpetuated by those who have less experience,with anything,than they want you to know.The funny part is,they expect we are dumb enough to believe it.......

Any one with a brain is fully aware of the capabilities of all of them...that is,if they have actually used all three to any great degree......




The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I've yet to have to hit em again with any 7mm, 280 7x57 or 7 Rem Mag.

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Originally Posted by BobinNH
Any one with a brain is fully aware of the capabilities of all of them...that is,if they have actually used all three to any great degree......
Jack O'connor must have been among the brainless then. I distinctly remember reading a statement by him in one of his books that went something like "try as I might, I never could see that the 7mm Mag. hit game any harder than a .270".

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Funny, I don't read that as it not being capable.


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Originally Posted by Steelhead
Funny, I don't read that as it not being capable.


Neither did I......and I've read everything O'Connor wrote many times over(?)




The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Originally Posted by BobinNH
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Funny, I don't read that as it not being capable.


Neither did I......and I've read everything O'Connor wrote many times over(?)
I don't read it as him saying either is incapable either but I've repeatedly seen people here on the fire opine that the 7 mag. is alot more gun than the .270 Win.. Apparently Jack didn't see it that way.

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I'm still thinken a 30-06.


but I'm sticken with a 338WM.




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BC for 7mm bullets trump 270.

Of course Jack didn't have turrets or Banes bullets. If he had he would have sang the praises of the 243.....


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No, he didn't see much difference....felt much the same way about a host of other cartridges as well...but when the cartridge came out, he had good things to say about the 7 mags;in his later years he railed a bit more against them.

..seems folks who do see a difference are those shooting both at pretty long ranges,where the advantage of the heavier bullets at the same velocities seem to show up in trajectory, wind drift, etc....I think it boils down to bullets more than anything else....heavy 7mm bullets do a good job from what I've seen. smile Still, I think a 7 mag with heavy bullets is a step up.Maybe not much......but it's there.




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The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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+1 on .300WBY.

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I find that I basically hunt with two different ones, when hunting bigger game. The one for general, common pursuits: smaller deer (caribou), lynx, wolves, etc is a medium cased cartridge like the 6.5 Swede or 7mm-08. For bigger stuff, a case along the lines of 338, 340, 375 is often what I choose. To me it is no question that the single cartridge I'd use would be the 30-06 if I was not "niching" my applications. While one can build or have built just about anything, the cartridge determines generally what goes with it well, like the weight and balance, shootability, loadability, etc of the rifle itself. That is why I'd choose the '06 over a 300 mag. It would be hard to argue that the 300 Win Mag wasn't also a pea in a pod given slightly other personal preferences however.


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