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I have been wanting to put a Swift barrel on my Marlin XL 7 long action.. however I still hesitate as the 220 Swift doesn't get much more of an MV as compared to the 22.250....
The Swift has a cooler name than the 22/250.. but since I have 5 of those already, I just keep hesitating...
I'll probably end up putting a fast twist barrel in 6mm Rem on it instead...
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Good choice on the Swift. I have a Remington 700 Classic I purchased new in 1992. It's easily THE most accurate gun I own/owned, bar none. It consistently turns 1/2 in groups without much fanfare. The one gun I will never sell.
I also like the fact that not everyone has one. Seems every Jagg-Off at the hunting camp owns a 22-250 and a 30-06. What twist rate do you have? The model I'm looking at is 1 in 14. From what I've read, it's best with bullets 60 grains and under, which is fine. I read a report done during the WWII in which the army had a ballistics expert do tests and terminal ballistics studies on live animals. The animals were put under and shot. One of the calibers used was the 220 Swift. The results were impressive. One test involved a mule (several needed to be destroyed due to a hoof disease). They placed a army issue steel helmet on the mule and shot through it with a solid copper bullet from 100 yards. The entry hole looked like it had been punched, no dent at all. The exit side had 11 holes, one 22 caliber from the bullet, the other 10 were from bone fragments. There were other tests which were equally impressive. What grain bullet do most of you use on coyotes?
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No reason to tie an anchor to a hotrod...I run 55's through my 22-250AI, no reason to go heavier. I run 40's through my 223AI.
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Good choice on the Swift. I have a Remington 700 Classic I purchased new in 1992. It's easily THE most accurate gun I own/owned, bar none. It consistently turns 1/2 in groups without much fanfare. The one gun I will never sell.
I also like the fact that not everyone has one. Seems every Jagg-Off at the hunting camp owns a 22-250 and a 30-06. What twist rate do you have? The model I'm looking at is 1 in 14. From what I've read, it's best with bullets 60 grains and under, which is fine. I read a report done during the WWII in which the army had a ballistics expert do tests and terminal ballistics studies on live animals. The animals were put under and shot. One of the calibers used was the 220 Swift. The results were impressive. One test involved a mule (several needed to be destroyed due to a hoof disease). They placed a army issue steel helmet on the mule and shot through it with a solid copper bullet from 100 yards. The entry hole looked like it had been punched, no dent at all. The exit side had 11 holes, one 22 caliber from the bullet, the other 10 were from bone fragments. There were other tests which were equally impressive. What grain bullet do most of you use on coyotes? I have a 1-14 twist, which is fairly standard for factory Swifts. I've never tried anything heavier than the 55's. It really favors the 50-55 gr. bullets. I just purchased the new 53 gr. Vmax that has a b.c in the .298 range. Really hope I can get it stabilized with a 1-14 twist. It's a long bullet, but should really elevate the effective range. Good luck with the new Swift. The cartridge is truly unique and is at it's very best when handloaded. One more thing, based on my own results and what others have reported, the 220 is inherentley more accurate than the 22.250.
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Thanks wbyfan, looking forward to it.
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I find no negatives in shooting or loading the Swift, period. I reccommend annealing the case necks, it really prolongs brass life. I have a 1-14 Ruger, tang safety, on the 2nd Ruger Barrel,With a Canjar set trigger, it shoots 55 Ballistic Tips/38 RL15/3890fps into 3 shot bug holes. I have always loved the Swift, and find it as usfull as a .22 can be.
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No reason to tie an anchor to a hotrod...I run 55's through my 22-250AI, no reason to go heavier. I run 40's through my 223AI. I'll race to 1K, you with 40's and me with 75's
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OK, it's a bet......40 pounds on my back and 75 pounds on yours...grin!
Seriously, my next swift barrel will spin 77gr scenars....
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Great combo thread -- the mighty Swift and Airedales!
I have always liked the looks of the Airedales, but I do not think I ever really "met" one (that is, more than to just pass one on the street anyway -- I have never got to know one, or anybody that had one).
What are they like in general? e.g. always barking or quiet? Friendly with all people, or are they a one-man dog?
I have come to know a couple of a related English terrier breed, Jack Russell Terriers, and both were really intelligent. However, both were also aggressive towards all other dogs (regardless of size) which made them a bit hard to live with. Are Airedales anything like that?
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your definitely a scenar slut! i'm going to have to get some to try.... this place is expensive!!!
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No reason to tie an anchor to a hotrod...I run 55's through my 22-250AI, no reason to go heavier. I run 40's through my 223AI. I'll race to 1K, you with 40's and me with 75's Try coyote calling sometime, and watch what happens when you try to take a time out to spin dials when there is a dog looking at you.
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NMScout308:
I find no negatives in shooting or loading the Swift, period. I reccommend annealing the case necks, it really prolongs brass life. I have a 1-14 Ruger, tang safety, on the 2nd Ruger Barrel,With a Canjar set trigger, it shoots 55 Ballistic Tips/38 RL15/3890fps into 3 shot bug holes. I have always loved the Swift, and find it as usfull as a .22 can be.
Jerry I need to learn the proper way to anneal brass. I tried it a year or so ago with some 308 brass (Lapua), and the results weren't good. On top of ruining a half dozen cases, I blew a primer on the third shot and had to tap the case out with a cleaning rod. Funny thing was, the group was outstanding. I'm sure I can get it down; I just need to take time to practice. I used MAP gas, a shell holder mounted on an adjustable speed drill, and water to cool the brass. I annealed past the shoulder. Bad thing that. Not enough control with the torch, and definately not as easy as it may seem. It's definitely a handy skill but you know what you're doing and what to look for when you heat the brass. John
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No reason to tie an anchor to a hotrod...I run 55's through my 22-250AI, no reason to go heavier. I run 40's through my 223AI. I'll race to 1K, you with 40's and me with 75's Try coyote calling sometime, and watch what happens when you try to take a time out to spin dials when there is a dog looking at you. Thats funny right there....Try hitting a coyote thats hung up at 600 meters by swagging a 55gr bullet at him.
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You must have dumb coyotes if they just stand there and watch you start spinning dials.
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You must have dumb coyotes if they just stand there and watch you start spinning dials. If I told you how many coyotes I've killed with a rifle,I'm sure you would say I was full of $hit.
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You must have dumb coyotes if they just stand there and watch you start spinning dials. If I told you how many coyotes I've killed with a rifle,I'm sure you would say I was full of $hit. I'd like to know out of pure curiosity. IIRC you posted some time back about 700 coyotes with scenars, so I can only imagine what the total number would be...
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I've shot one since 1980, three barrels worth. It is a great coyote killer, although I think if I were doing it today I'd do a .22-243, easier to get brass and no rims. Mine currently is a .220AI with a 1-12 twist. If I were doing it over I'd also probably go a 1-10 barrel, and shoot 69's. Isn't that what they call the 220 Jaybird ? Or, is it the Cheetah? Middlestead?
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scenarshooter, that is some nice looking country you live in. Lot of long range shooting. Hows the deer hunting? Mulies, Whitetail, both? Plenty of antelope I imagine.
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