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It's only a matter of time..... #5116093 04/04/11
Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,896 Nebraska FlyboyFlem OP Campfire Outfitter
OP FlyboyFlem Campfire Outfitter Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,896 Nebraska	Before we have a major airline disaster due to metal fatigue.Our aging commercial fleet is treading on thin ice at present and only time will tell before a major disaster occurs.Stress fractures of all kinds are not out of the ordinary and many can be found through routine airframe inspections but some like skin separation are really undetectable without extensive Xray. The recent grounding of a good portion of Southwest Airlines 737 fleet will undoubtedly bring more problems to light and force other carriers to do same.I think overall we've been lucky to date but time is running out on this aging fleet which IMO is past due for a major meltdown..Flying in spite of safety concerns is a recipe for disaster,just hope they stay vigilant and don't put profit ahead of safety... You better be afraid of a ghost!! "Woody you were baptized in prop wash"..crossfireoops Woody

Re: It's only a matter of time..... FlyboyFlem #5116117 04/04/11
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Re: It's only a matter of time..... FlyboyFlem #5116139 04/04/11
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340boy Campfire Ranger Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 21,959 Idaho	Originally Posted by FlyboyFlem Before we have a major airline disaster due to metal fatigue.Our aging commercial fleet is treading on thin ice at present and only time will tell before a major disaster occurs.Stress fractures of all kinds are not out of the ordinary and many can be found through routine airframe inspections but some like skin separation are really undetectable without extensive Xray. The recent grounding of a good portion of Southwest Airlines 737 fleet will undoubtedly bring more problems to light and force other carriers to do same.I think overall we've been lucky to date but time is running out on this aging fleet which IMO is past due for a major meltdown..Flying in spite of safety concerns is a recipe for disaster,just hope they stay vigilant and don't put profit ahead of safety... I need to do some checking on the size and age of SW's fleet? For some reason, I was under the impression that most of their 73s are fairly modern?- If so, this is a bad deal. Edit: SW operates ~550 737s! Still can't find average age of the fleet, dang it... Last edited by 340boy; 04/04/11. "For joy of knowing what may not be known we take the golden road to Samarkand." James Elroy Flecker

Re: It's only a matter of time..... 340boy #5116159 04/04/11
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T LEE Campfire Kahuna Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 73,096 Punta Gorda, FL	On pressurizes aircraft it is not age but cycles that cause the metal fatigue. That is why there are still 1930's & 40's DC-3's still flying as well as other WWII military aircraft. Less stress with unpressurized fuselages. It is funny but I was talking with a Boeing retiree just today about the very same thing. He also said that weak seams & loose rivets were easier to find when you could still smoke on planes, the nicotine left stains at the air leaks. George Orwell was a Prophet, not a novelist. Read 1984 and then look around you! Old cat turd! "Some men just need killing." ~ Clay Allison. I am too old to fight but I can still pull a trigger. ~ Me

Re: It's only a matter of time..... T LEE #5116166 04/04/11
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340boy Campfire Ranger Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 21,959 Idaho	Originally Posted by T LEE On pressurizes aircraft it is not age but cycles that cause the metal fatigue. That is why there are still 1930's & 40's DC-3's still flying as well as other WWII military aircraft. Less stress with unpressurized fuselages. Good point, Terry. I wonder how many cycles an average SW bird does per day? Probably a fair amount, unlike with long haul stuff that probably do 2 or 3 every 24hrs? "For joy of knowing what may not be known we take the golden road to Samarkand." James Elroy Flecker

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Re: It's only a matter of time..... 340boy #5116179 04/04/11
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OP FlyboyFlem Campfire Outfitter Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,896 Nebraska	Last I heard was that they purchased some older 737 airframes when in startup mode..if still flying said aircraft these could be the rats in the woodpile.As a precaution SW has cancelled 300 flights..doesn't mean parking the whole fleet of course but only precautionary measures checking the airframe hours on older birds.... You better be afraid of a ghost!! "Woody you were baptized in prop wash"..crossfireoops Woody

Re: It's only a matter of time..... FlyboyFlem #5116186 04/04/11
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Red Baron Campfire Regular R Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 503 Central Bluegrass, KY usa	And if you had an automatic pruner that was set to go off when no one was there, would the tree feel the Pain? Red Baron

Re: It's only a matter of time..... Red Baron #5116194 04/04/11
Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,896 Nebraska FlyboyFlem OP Campfire Outfitter
OP FlyboyFlem Campfire Outfitter Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,896 Nebraska	Originally Posted by Red Baron And if you had an automatic pruner that was set to go off when no one was there, would the tree feel the Pain? ??? Me thinks you have replied to the wrong thread.. You better be afraid of a ghost!! "Woody you were baptized in prop wash"..crossfireoops Woody

Re: It's only a matter of time..... 340boy #5116204 04/04/11
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jnyork Campfire Ranger Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 15,289 Wyoming and Arizona	Originally Posted by 340boy Originally Posted by T LEE On pressurizes aircraft it is not age but cycles that cause the metal fatigue. That is why there are still 1930's & 40's DC-3's still flying as well as other WWII military aircraft. Less stress with unpressurized fuselages. Good point, Terry. I wonder how many cycles an average SW bird does per day? Probably a fair amount, unlike with long haul stuff that probably do 2 or 3 every 24hrs? According to a spokesman on Fox News yesterday, the average cycles per day is about 11, and the average 737 in their fleet has done about 40,000. I was surprised to hear that many of them had been completely re-skinned, I didnt know anyone did that. Last edited by jnyork; 04/04/11.

Re: It's only a matter of time..... FlyboyFlem #5116224 04/04/11
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Nebraska Campfire Outfitter N Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 14,073	Originally Posted by FlyboyFlem Flying in spite of safety concerns is a recipe for disaster And we just bought tickets a couple weeks ago!! Hopefully the increased scrutiny right now will make a difference before it's our time in the chute..... Biden's most truthful quote ever came during his first press conference, 03/25/21. Drum roll please...... "I don't know, to be clear." and THAT is one promise he's kept!!!

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