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+1 -- To claim otherwise is absurd.

that is certainly in writing from many sources; the tapered case aids in feeding, especially in a M70 with the cone.

Wikipedia: "The .375 Ruger (9.5 x 65.5mm) was designed to be a shorter replacement for the .375 H&H. Being a fatter case, it actually has about 8% more volume giving it a velocity edge over the older cartridge. The shorter length allows it to be chambered in standard-length actions, reducing cost as well as firearm weight."
It is very nice caliber and work probably well in Africa where in most countries .375 is minimum allowed caliber for dangerous game.
But it will stay only American caliber if some other (or many) producer will not start to produce ammo for that caliber. I know what I'm talking because have 9,3x64 brenneke and there is only two producers (RWS and Brenneke) in world who produced ammo for that caliber...and in US I heard that A-Square...
If there will be only one ammo producer as today Hornady this caliber will stay for freaks as I am...LOL...not looking for super technical dates. Ammo's availability is main what make caliber well-known and popular. In this case 375 H&H have advantage.
Read history about 9,3x64 brenneke and will understand...it is short case ammo like 375 Ruger and was worked out 1927 for Africa. But never come well-known world wide as ammo production stay's in Brenneke hands and later RWS....But is well-known in Germany...
375 Ruger as caliber is super and I will wait when this cartridge will be available in Europa for "normal people".

Speaking of all the rifles worked over in the shop throughout the years, I've never seen a single rifle where the tapered case of the 375H&H was enough of an advantage to overcome the feeding and/or extraction issues. Some would require more work than others to correct, but once feeding and extraction was corrected, you'd see no marked advantage between a 375H&H compared to a 458Win as all would be reliable to the extreme. In addition, the tapered case of the 375H&H was no guarantee that the H&H would require a lesser amount of work to correct issues, as I've experienced quite a number of 375H&H rifles that required a good deal of work for proper feeding and extraction.

I WILL say however that when I overly load my rounds way too hot, there may be some situations where it is easier to extract a tapered case from the chamber compared to a straight case. But based on my experience, the latter semantic pissing match within this thread is moot when it comes to the 375Ruger. Boots on the ground from vetted rifles, the 375Ruger has proven outstanding in performance in most every measureable aspect when compared to the H&H.

Best

GaryVa, stop confusing these guys with actual hands on experiences. You may cause irreversible damage to their already fragile egos and disrupt the internet "Professional" world! LMFAO

Ummmm, 458Win qualifies as "professional world - boots on the ground" in my book. Phil tells me it's raining, I'm bringing a raincoat.

You made a very broad generalization there sir, but the worst of it is, your implication is wrong.

Absolutely.

Gee..............and I thought I was agreeing with Phil??? OK one more time....taper in cartridges are for extraction primarily, the only time the taper is in play is when the case is coming off the rails which has little effect. Tuning and timing is what really counts along with the shape of the bullet. If I'm not mistaken that is what Phil and Gary both stated???

I was not referring to Phil (or Gary) as internet professionals as they are real world professionals who occasionally post. I was referring to jwp and others. I own a 375 H&H and a 416 Ruger. The 416 Ruger wouldn't chamber a round to save its live when I bought it but after hours of work it never fails now. The case shape had nothing to do with its problems as I learned through hours of working on it.

No harm, no foul, but, jwp I think has been around the block once or twice also; I think you'll find that if you do some research.

The point is some issues are not just black or white and personal experiences will vary.

It's not just you--folks tend to get very dogmatic on the Internet.

Tombo, my mother always taught me that if the shoe fit to wear it. It sounded like we were in agreement to me as well.
I have talked with jwp on the phone a few times and got the impression he was a long haul truck driver. If I am wrong jwp please do correct me and tell us all about your background and experiences.

Mr Shoemaker,
I would like to ask you a question pertaining to muzzle blast.
I now own a 24" barrel 375H&H Magnum.
If I were to compare it to a 20" barrel Ruger .375 wouldn't there be quite a difference in muzzle blast since the Ruger has a bigger powder charge and a shorter barrel?
I had a friend who owned a custom .300 Winchester magnum with a 19" barrel and it was pretty raunchy in the muzzle blast department.
Thanks,
whelennut

I would be interested in feedback about the muzzle blast on the 20 inch barrel as well.

One more time tapered cases also aid in feeding to say other wise is just flat wrong

Phil, no way in the world am I a "truck driver of any kind"

jwp, When we talked You seemed to travel a lot but I obviously was mistaken when I assumed you were a driver. What do you do for a living? And please do tell us about your hunting experiences.
From our talks you also obviously have quite a bit of experience with large bore handguns. Do you think tapered 9mm's feed better than the 45 acp as well? Or is that just in rifle cartridges?

No Phil, I don't think 9mm is more reliable than a 45 ACP but we are not in the handgun forum and I do not know why the handgun rounds keep coming up. The SUBJECT is the 375 Ruger and feeding of BOLT action rifles let's stay on subject



I am not the only one that knows that the tapered case of the 375 H&H aids in feeding


http://www.gunsandammo.com/content/375-hh-magnum?page=2






Yea I have taken a bit of game with a handgun but again this is not the forum for that subject

Well, you'd be wrong about that assessment. Seriously, to say that the tapered case primarily aids in extraction is absurd, and ignoring the obvious.

Hey Phil, is this a shot at truck driving as a profession? He is no truck driver, but it sure reads like you are patronizing jwp. You don't have to guide hunters to have a significant amount of hunting experience and quite frankly, a lot of guides I have met, including African PHs, don't necessarily know a heck of a lot about guns. Being a guide doesn't necessarily elevate ones status with regards to knowledge about firearms -- of course there are exceptions to every rule.

How about bringing this discussion back on topic.

Whitworth1,
Have you ever read Rifle magazine? Did you notice Mr. Shoemakers article in there. I think it is obvious he is above average to say the least.
As far as average guides, my wife and I hunted caribou and got stuck with some guy who worked on a fishing boat until he could buy a .338 Magnum and then Voila he became a PH.
I am glad it was only for five days. On the same trip I met one of his co-workers and he was night and day different.
Personality and attitude can make up for a lot of shortcomings in other areas IMO. It seems like on the campfire there are more Chiefs than Indians.
I wish Phil would write a book on bear hunting in Alaska.
It would sure help to pass the time here in the long cold winters we have in Minnesota. We don't have any warm wind coming off the ocean.
whelennut

I come from a technical background and have worked on high speed processing equipment. To say something is obvious or absurd without backing it with experience and technical information means absolutely nothing to me. Your rebuttal to our claim and experiences is "your wrong", "its obvious", and "it's absurd". When I get a detailed analysis of your claim you will then get some validity in your opinion.

High speed mechanical processes are based on repeatable movement due to structure just like your rifle. See how fast and problem free the ammunition companies load those "straight walled cases" an you will understand your thinking is flawed. What really is in play here is surface tension and deflection angles. Books have been written on this subject......you might want to read one?