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Look,


I will put this all to rest.


In a few months I will buy a .375 Ruger.


It will be discontinued next year...

Well, with all of your technical expertise, I would think that your approach wouldn't include making assumptions about someone you don't know by claiming -- and I paraphrase you -- that jwp is essentially an internet warrior. Again, you would be wrong. Oh, and I don't owe you a detailed analysis. How about providing me with one?

Now, on to the issue of the tapered case. I made no statement of straight-walled cases and merely spoke of the fact that the H&H (.375 that is) has a tapered case, which aids in feeding as well as extraction. In no way do I dispute that extraction is a parameter that was designed into the case, but feeding was also part of the plan. This is not some new revelation, nor a controversial issue. That you would dismiss this fact does indeed warrant terms like: absurd, and obvious, to name but a few. It certainly aids in extraction, but it also aidss in feeding. There has been plenty written about this very subject. Just about any history of the .375 H&H mentions this.

Everybody thought the world was flat at one time too. lol Many wrote on it and called those that don't believe it idiots. So who looks dumb now?

At what point do you think the taper makes a difference?


As to your understanding of how things work.....explain (FN), (fs) and (fk) for if you can't it is "OBVIOUS" you have a limited understanding and it's "ABSURD" to discuss it any further.


As I said it is the shape of the bullet, the timing and the tuning. If you wish we can dissect the entire feeding operation and you will see the 375 H&H case is no more superior than the 375 Ruger in properly operating actions.

I'm no longer interested in your "OPINION" or anybody elses! Describe in detail why it feeds better and answer the above questions.

If a taper doesn't aid in insertion, why does a nail have a tapered end? Or why does a knife have a tapered edge? Even Stevie Wonder could see that.

Now what's that word again? Obvious? LOL!

No reason to get huffy!

You mean the world's not flat?

Everybody thought the world was flat at one time too. lol Many wrote on it and called those that don't believe it idiots. So who looks dumb now?

At what point do you think the taper makes a difference?


As to your understanding of how things work.....explain (FN), (fs) and (fk) for if you can't it is "OBVIOUS" you have a limited understanding and it's "ABSURD" to discuss it any further.


As I said it is the shape of the bullet, the timing and the tuning. If you wish we can dissect the entire feeding operation and you will see the 375 H&H case is no more superior than the 375 Ruger in properly operating actions.

I'm no longer interested in your "OPINION" or anybody elses! Describe in detail why it feeds better and answer the above questions.

If a taper doesn't aid in insertion, why does a nail have a tapered end? Or why does a knife have a tapered edge? Even Stevie Wonder could see that.

Now what's that word again? Obvious? LOL!

No reason to get huffy!

You mean the world's not flat?

Hey, this is fun, can we do it again?

Maybe later, I have to go to the dentist.......now I'm "Huffy"!!!

Take good care of your teeth!

Here is your answer

The case shape has everything to do with it, because the mag geometry is wrong for the case. If the mag is worked on for hours then yea it will feed.

The is no doubt that a tapered case potentially feeds better than a straight wall case, however, if the straight wall case has a tapered bullet, all it has to do is get started and this stupid tit-for-tat is meaningless.

Once the bullet is out of the equation (after you pull the trigger) the tapered case is going to be easier to extract in the event something went wrong, ie. water drop in the barrel, spider web or something else increasing pressure, too hot loads developed on a cold day and fired in a hot chamber, grit pressed into the case wall...

It seems that if the magazine and feed geometry is designed for the case in point, it will feed just fine. I know that my pre-64 300 H&H feeds like a dream, you know what, my 30-06 feeds really good too! It would seem that within reason, this is a moot argument and the 375 Ruger is obviously within reason.

I guess we will have to lathe-turn the sharp edges off the Hornady bullet from now on...

jwp you still have not answered my question of what you do and how you came about your knowledge. You might also answer why pistol rounds feed differently than rifle rounds.

And Tombo, why do you think jwp claims that FN bullets penetrate better than round or spizer bullets but more taper helps penetration.
You two need to talk before you start defending each other's point of view.

Phil......????????? I'm talking about physics not bullets?????

(FN) is normal force, which is equal and opposite to weight. (on level)
(fs) is static friction which cancels applied force up to the point of the force of static friction.
(fk) is the applied force over (fs max) causing movement. (kenetic)
Uk=fk/FN is the coefficient for kinetic friction.
Us= fs max/FN is the coefficient for static friction.

You could right volumes on the physics of the loading of a cartridge in a bolt action rifle. In a nut shell, as dennis touched on, friction is caused by weight/preassure and angles. The bullet encounters most of the angles causing most of the friction not the case. Friction is what causes rifles not to load or impedes them in loading.

Take your rifles and hold them at a 45 degree angle, hold a round with the bullet just resting inside the chamber and let it go. You will see exactly what the difference is case shape makes entering the chamber..............not much.

Metal to metal interaction with no deforming of either contact media is a completely different conversation than bullet interaction with a soft median in which one or both are deformed.

You two can break out the physics book and hash it out together!

P+1/2pv squared +pgh comes into play with shooting an animal but what does it have to do with anything?.......I guess I know to little........lol

Hey Tombo, how did your appointment go at the dentist?

Well the little lady gave me the wrong date, showed up and she said it's tomorrow? She is lucky she is cute! lol I'll be in the chair in about an 1/2 hour. Then the real fun begins........

You realy don't help your arguement with post like the one above. Are you joking? Flat nose bullet stay point on better during terminal penetration. You mean that you haven't followed the thread on AR in the Big Bore Forum titled
"Terminal Bullet Performance"? Conclusive prove that flat point bullets penetrated better.

A cartridge's ability to feed and the best shape for a solid is comparing grapes to apples, surely you didn't mean to do that, did you?

There is a very simple reason why the tapered cartridges feed best out of factory rifles, I am sure that you know the reason, do you not?

Ha Ha!!! We have similar luck!!!!

Great sense of humor temmi!!! Way to lighten it up a bit!!!

JWP, What is P+1/2pv squared + pgh? Whats is Re=vLp/n? Without a understanding of those equations (or even knowing what they are) you can't even engage in a logical debate.

Post answers to those two questions, and their relevance to the discussion.

Without it I might as well be talking to the wall! lol

So why do flat nosed bullets "stay on point better", Please express it mathematically to me.

Whitworth 1 I survived the dentist, once past the needle part I'm good! The gal giving the shot was a real pro!

jwp,
Your are quick with short quips but can you answer simple questions like
What do you do for a living ?
and
How do you know what you are telling everyone is true?

I am not ashamed to post who I am and how I come about my views and opinions.
It would be nice if everyone on here would do the same.
I don't answer anonimous letters or take legal or medical advice from anonimous folks so why should I argue with some anonimous "expert"