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No-Duty-to-Retreat Legislation #5159946 04/18/11
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 8,222 Likes: 1 S.E. Alaska MuskegMan OP Campfire Outfitter
OP MuskegMan Campfire Outfitter Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 8,222 Likes: 1 S.E. Alaska	It would be awesome if this passes: ___________________________________________________________ Alaska: No-Duty-to-Retreat Legislation Heads to House Floor Contact your state Representative today! On April 4, House Bill 80 passed in the state House Finance Committee by a 5 to 0 vote. This bill now moves to the House floor. Introduced by state Representative Mark Neuman (R-15), HB 80 would remove the duty-to-retreat in Alaska. Under this bill, Alaskans would have the right to use force, including deadly force, for self-defense anywhere they have a legal right to be. Please contact your state Representative TODAY and respectfully urge him or her to support HB 80. Contact information for the state House of Representatives can be found here. If you need help identifying your state Representative, click here. ____________________________________________________________ This law + a CCP permit and you'd be golden . . .

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Re: No-Duty-to-Retreat Legislation MuskegMan #5160026 04/18/11
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Take_a_knee Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 13,860	Who would expect any less in AK? I'm shocked this hasn't always been the law.

Re: No-Duty-to-Retreat Legislation Take_a_knee #5160248 04/18/11
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SUGV1 Campfire Greenhorn S Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 81 North AL	Will this apply to an AK resident living in the lower 48???!!!?? I know the answer, but a man has to have a dream "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -- John Adams

Re: No-Duty-to-Retreat Legislation Take_a_knee #5161128 04/19/11
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stevelyn Campfire Ranger Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,700 Likes: 4 Fairbanksan in Aleutian Hell	Originally Posted by Take_a_knee Who would expect any less in AK? I'm shocked this hasn't always been the law. You'd be surprised. I remember all the pukes that came out of the woodwork to oppose our FL model CCW legislation back in the early to mid-90s. My how we've taken back our freedoms since then. There's a few more tweeks that need to be made. Getting rid of the prohibition of carry on school grounds has got to go. Z

Re: No-Duty-to-Retreat Legislation stevelyn #5161349 04/19/11
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Joel/AK Campfire Tracker Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 6,902 RAVENNA	At the rate our legislation is moving (reminds meof the feds) it may get voted on by oh, 2025.

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Re: No-Duty-to-Retreat Legislation Joel/AK #5162231 04/19/11
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Cariboujack Campfire Ranger C Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 17,737 Likes: 1 Palmer, Alaska	Most are bought and owed by the enviro whackos and the unions. They worry about upsetting someone. NRA LIFE MEMBER GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS ESPECIALLY THE SNIPERS! "Suppose you were an idiot And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself." -Mark Twain

Re: No-Duty-to-Retreat Legislation Cariboujack #5162269 04/19/11
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 40,179 wasilla ak watch4bear Campfire 'Bwana
watch4bear Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 40,179 wasilla ak	Quote Most are bought and owed by the enviro whackos and the unions. Wouldn't those ones be democrats? Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?" Liberal father: " I fought the Americans, along with all the other liberals." MOLON LABE

Re: No-Duty-to-Retreat Legislation watch4bear #5162378 04/19/11
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battue Campfire Ranger B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,815 outside the burgh	Same here in Pa. http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2011/04/13/pennsylvania-house-passes-castle-doctorine-bill/ Pennsylvania House Passes �Castle Doctrine� Bill April 13, 2011 5:02 AM Print Share 5 hburgcap Share this: HARRISBURG, Pa. (CBS) � The Pennsylvania House has now passed a bill that would expand the right to use lethal force in self-defense. The Senate has passed an identical bill, but the measure won�t be heading to the governor�s desk. The bill passed by the house on Tuesday has identical language to a bill passed by the Senate, but it�s technically a different bill, so it won�t be sent to the governor�s desk. As to why the house didn�t simply pass the Senate bill, Republican Scott Perry � sponsor of the House measure � says the legislation dealing with expanding the so-called �Castle Doctrine� originated in the House and that many people who worked on the legislation are familiar with it in that context. �Including the DA�s association, who we worked very closely with in crafting the current legislation to get it to where it is,� Perry says. �It�s not really pride of authorship, but there�s a lot of people that, out across Pennsylvania it�s known as the Castle Doctrine as House Bill 40. It�s not known as some Senate bill.� Among the changes urged by DA�s is a provision that requires that when outside the home, a would-be attacker has to be showing a weapon before deadly force can be used. Reported by Tony Romeo, KYW Newsradio laissez les bons temps rouler

Re: No-Duty-to-Retreat Legislation battue #5162509 04/19/11
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1234567 Campfire Tracker 1 Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 4,320	This is a true story. I am relating it hear because some might come up against the same situation. Georgia, my state has a very good, simple to understand law that states in plain english that a person does not have to retreat if attacked in his own house. He can defend himself, even with deadly force, if necessary. 2 1/2 years ago, I was attacked, in my own home, by a much larger, intoxicated and drugged up person. He had a butcher knife with a 8 inch blade. I ran to a back bedroom. There were no other doors, so I was trapped. In the bedroom, I had a sword, and as he followed me into the bedroom, I drew the sword, prepared to do whatever was necessary to defend myself. Not likeing the fact that he had brought a butcher knife to a sword fight, my attacker fled, and I chased him out of the house. In his confused state, he called 911 and claimed I had tried to kill him. The police came and arrested me for assualt, and carried me to jail. After holding me in a jail cell for about 50 hours, without letting me make a phone call, without letting me contact a lawyer, and without taking me before a magistrate, or even telling me the nature of the charges, I was taken before a magistrate. I repeat, I was taken before the magistrate after being held for over 50 hours without out being able to contact anyone outside. When I stood before the magistrate, I was given a copy of the incident report, detailing the charges against me. The judge asked my side of it, and I told him about the butcher knife and retreating into the bedroom, with no place left to run. The magistrate sat right there and told me that there is always a place to run, even though the law says that I did not have to. He sit my bond for $11,000.00. This was late on a Friday night and I had no way of posting bond over the weekend, so I stayed in jail three more days, until Monday night. I insisted that I was not guilty, right up to the last, and over $4500.00 in lawyers fees, and on my attorney's advise, I pleaded guilty to a lessor offense. My attorney said that I was sure to be convicted if it went to court, with a possible 3 year jail sentence. At my age, 69 at the time of the guilty plea, I could not have survived 3 years in jail, so I pled out. The point of this narrative is, although the legislature passes a law, the judges and the police on the scene may not know the law, or else they have their own intrepretation of it.

Re: No-Duty-to-Retreat Legislation 1234567 #5162561 04/19/11
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Sitka deer Campfire Kahuna Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 50,669 Likes: 2 Anchorage, AK USA	Guessing the guy telling his side failed to mention some major factors... Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.

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Re: No-Duty-to-Retreat Legislation Sitka deer #5162568 04/19/11
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 86,347 Likes: 34 In the shadow of the Kenai Mtn... ironbender Campfire Oracle
ironbender Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 86,347 Likes: 34 In the shadow of the Kenai Mtn...	Dead men don't lie. If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli American by birth; Alaskan by choice. --ironbender

Re: No-Duty-to-Retreat Legislation watch4bear #5165810 04/20/11
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Cariboujack Campfire Ranger C Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 17,737 Likes: 1 Palmer, Alaska	Originally Posted by watch4bear Quote Most are bought and owed by the enviro whackos and the unions. Wouldn't those ones be democrats? And Rhinos NRA LIFE MEMBER GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS ESPECIALLY THE SNIPERS! "Suppose you were an idiot And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself." -Mark Twain

Re: No-Duty-to-Retreat Legislation Sitka deer #5165918 04/20/11
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AcesNeights Campfire Ranger A Joined: May 2008 Posts: 25,562 Likes: 14 Valhalla SE AK & WA	Just a few... �Politicians are the lowest form of life on earth. Liberal Democrats are the lowest form of politician.� �General George S. Patton, Jr. --------------------------------------------------------- ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~

Re: No-Duty-to-Retreat Legislation AcesNeights #5166076 04/20/11
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boomtube Campfire Regular B Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,491	"And Rhinos" Does the name "Murkowski", father and daughter, ring a bell in AK?

Re: No-Duty-to-Retreat Legislation boomtube #5166739 04/20/11
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watch4bear Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 40,179 wasilla ak	Originally Posted by boomtube "And Rhinos" Does the name "Murkowski", father and daughter, ring a bell in AK? Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?" Liberal father: " I fought the Americans, along with all the other liberals." MOLON LABE

Re: No-Duty-to-Retreat Legislation boomtube #5168887 04/21/11
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Cariboujack Campfire Ranger C Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 17,737 Likes: 1 Palmer, Alaska	Originally Posted by boomtube "And Rhinos" Does the name "Murkowski", father and daughter, ring a bell in AK? Neither of those are in the State Legislature and have nothing to do with the legislation we are talking about, but you don't know that or have a Ph'king clue what's going on so it's academic. Not to mention you wouldn't know any of the players if you ran into them. NRA LIFE MEMBER GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS ESPECIALLY THE SNIPERS! "Suppose you were an idiot And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself." -Mark Twain

Re: No-Duty-to-Retreat Legislation Cariboujack #5168988 04/21/11
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watch4bear Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 40,179 wasilla ak	Quote a Ph'king clue what's going on so I'd say he has a partial clue Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?" Liberal father: " I fought the Americans, along with all the other liberals." MOLON LABE

Re: No-Duty-to-Retreat Legislation 1234567 #5169002 04/21/11
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Just a Hunter Campfire Tracker J Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 7,191 MT	I guess it may depend on where a person lives. In my hometown in MT there was a homeless man burglerizing a home at night. The owner came downstairs confonting him. The owner commanded him to stop what he was doing, but the guy came towards him instead. Owner shoots him and kills him. No charges filed.

Re: No-Duty-to-Retreat Legislation 1234567 #5193299 04/29/11
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Reloder28 Campfire Ranger R Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 20,955 Likes: 3 Deer Park, Tx	Originally Posted by 1234567 This is a true story. I am relating it hear because some might come up against the same situation. Georgia, my state has a very good, simple to understand law that states in plain english that a person does not have to retreat if attacked in his own house. He can defend himself, even with deadly force, if necessary. 2 1/2 years ago, I was attacked, in my own home, by a much larger, intoxicated and drugged up person. He had a butcher knife with a 8 inch blade. I ran to a back bedroom. There were no other doors, so I was trapped. In the bedroom, I had a sword, and as he followed me into the bedroom, I drew the sword, prepared to do whatever was necessary to defend myself. Not likeing the fact that he had brought a butcher knife to a sword fight, my attacker fled, and I chased him out of the house. In his confused state, he called 911 and claimed I had tried to kill him. The police came and arrested me for assualt, and carried me to jail. After holding me in a jail cell for about 50 hours, without letting me make a phone call, without letting me contact a lawyer, and without taking me before a magistrate, or even telling me the nature of the charges, I was taken before a magistrate. I repeat, I was taken before the magistrate after being held for over 50 hours without out being able to contact anyone outside. When I stood before the magistrate, I was given a copy of the incident report, detailing the charges against me. The judge asked my side of it, and I told him about the butcher knife and retreating into the bedroom, with no place left to run. The magistrate sat right there and told me that there is always a place to run, even though the law says that I did not have to. He sit my bond for $11,000.00. This was late on a Friday night and I had no way of posting bond over the weekend, so I stayed in jail three more days, until Monday night. I insisted that I was not guilty, right up to the last, and over $4500.00 in lawyers fees, and on my attorney's advise, I pleaded guilty to a lessor offense. My attorney said that I was sure to be convicted if it went to court, with a possible 3 year jail sentence. At my age, 69 at the time of the guilty plea, I could not have survived 3 years in jail, so I pled out. The point of this narrative is, although the legislature passes a law, the judges and the police on the scene may not know the law, or else they have their own intrepretation of it. Get you a copy of The Bill of Rights & read The Second Amendment. You might look into the purchase of a firearm. By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.

Re: No-Duty-to-Retreat Legislation Reloder28 #5198525 05/01/11
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1234567 Campfire Tracker 1 Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 4,320	Originally Posted by Reloder28 Originally Posted by 1234567 This is a true story. I am relating it hear because some might come up against the same situation. Georgia, my state has a very good, simple to understand law that states in plain english that a person does not have to retreat if attacked in his own house. He can defend himself, even with deadly force, if necessary. 2 1/2 years ago, I was attacked, in my own home, by a much larger, intoxicated and drugged up person. He had a butcher knife with a 8 inch blade. I ran to a back bedroom. There were no other doors, so I was trapped. In the bedroom, I had a sword, and as he followed me into the bedroom, I drew the sword, prepared to do whatever was necessary to defend myself. Not likeing the fact that he had brought a butcher knife to a sword fight, my attacker fled, and I chased him out of the house. In his confused state, he called 911 and claimed I had tried to kill him. The police came and arrested me for assualt, and carried me to jail. After holding me in a jail cell for about 50 hours, without letting me make a phone call, without letting me contact a lawyer, and without taking me before a magistrate, or even telling me the nature of the charges, I was taken before a magistrate. I repeat, I was taken before the magistrate after being held for over 50 hours without out being able to contact anyone outside. When I stood before the magistrate, I was given a copy of the incident report, detailing the charges against me. The judge asked my side of it, and I told him about the butcher knife and retreating into the bedroom, with no place left to run. The magistrate sat right there and told me that there is always a place to run, even though the law says that I did not have to. He sit my bond for $11,000.00. This was late on a Friday night and I had no way of posting bond over the weekend, so I stayed in jail three more days, until Monday night. I insisted that I was not guilty, right up to the last, and over $4500.00 in lawyers fees, and on my attorney's advise, I pleaded guilty to a lessor offense. My attorney said that I was sure to be convicted if it went to court, with a possible 3 year jail sentence. At my age, 69 at the time of the guilty plea, I could not have survived 3 years in jail, so I pled out. The point of this narrative is, although the legislature passes a law, the judges and the police on the scene may not know the law, or else they have their own intrepretation of it. Get you a copy of The Bill of Rights & read The Second Amendment. You might look into the purchase of a firearm. I had several, locked inside a safe. With him coming at me with the knife, I did not have time to open the safe before he got to me. It is just as well because the sword worked. If I had shot him, based on the mentality of the magistrate and the police officers who investigated, I would have been charged with murder had I got the safe open in time. The magistrate, with his brilliant legal knowledge, might have ruled that it is illegal to defend yourself from a 6'5" drunk holding a butcher knife by using a firearm. One of the rifles had a bayonet. That is the one I really wish I had time to get out of the safe.

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