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HOw many of us have birth certificates like the one that has been shown for the Pres?

All 3 of my kids have the same kind of document. What else is there?


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I tried to find mine a year ago and couldn't. It didn't worry me at all....but I like to live dangerously.

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If you're a lawyer, as I think you said you were,you produced it sometime during that time and you damn well know it.


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When I was in the hiring process to become "just a cop", I had to go back to the town I was born in and get the copy of the actual BC (raised lettering, sworn to, etc.). IIRC, I went to the Court in town, but I also believe the Town Hall is in the same building (it's been a while).

If I have to go through those hoops to become a cop, shouldn't the president have to jump as well?

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yep, we're seeing one of the greatest guessing games of all time unfold before us.

if the Incumbent as something to hide, he's doing quite well. and raising a lot of doubts amongst the Independents at the same time.

most independents just wants to be certain that their bets are correct. with proof of birth in the usa, Obama has no problem.
he'll show the proof if push comes to shove. if he doesn't, he'll be disallowed proper credit for his State of Birth.

and thereby, hopefully voted out. he's got to show legitimacy. it's up to Him, or otherwise, he's been dismissed.

we need leadership. so far, we ain't seen much.


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I just want to see Barny Franks kiss Michelle Obama on the lips.


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The birth certificate shown on the news shows sounds just like the one you described including the raised seal?

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Originally Posted by rrroae
To be more specific, I keep seeing that laser copy of the short birth certificate and assume that's what Hawaii provides as legal evidence of birth. Do they have something else on file that's not being produced? To be quite honest I never knew there were long AND short versions.


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Posted: January 24, 2011
8:48 pm Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi
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Former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams has now signed an affidavit swearing he was told by his supervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.


Notary seal on Timothy Adams' affidavit


Adams was employed at the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division from May 2008 through September 2008.

His position was senior elections clerk, overseeing a group of 50 to 60 employees responsible for verifying the identity of voters at the Absentee Ballot Office. It was in this capacity that Adams became aware of the search for Obama's birth-certificate records.

"During the course of my employment," Adams swears in the affidavit (viewable in full as part 1 and part 2), "I became aware that many requests were being made to the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division, the Hawaii Office of Elections, and the Hawaii Department of Health from around the country to obtain a copy of then-Senator Barack Obama's long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate."

As he inquired about the birth certificate, he says, his supervisors told him that the records were not on file at the Hawaii Department of Health.

"Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division told me on multiple occasions that no Hawaii long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Senator Obama in the Hawaii Department of Health," Adams' affidavit reads, "and there was no record that any such document had ever been on file in the Hawaii Department of Health or any other branch or department of the Hawaii government."

In a recorded telephone interview, Adams told WND that it was common knowledge among election officials where he worked that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate could be found at the Hawaii Department of Health.

"My supervisor came and told me, 'Of course, there's no birth certificate. What? You stupid,'" Adams said. "She usually spoke well, but in saying this she reverted to a Hawaiian dialect. I really didn't know how to respond to that. She said it and just walked off. She was quite a powerful lady."

Moreover, Adams was told that neither Queens Memorial Hospital nor Kapi'olani Medical Center had any records of Obama's birth at their medical facilities: "Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division further told me on multiple occasions that Hawaii State government officials had made inquires about Sen. Obama's birth records to officials at Queens Medical Center and Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu and that neither hospital had any record of Senator Obama having been born there, even though Governor Abercrombie is now asserting and various Hawaii government officials continue to assert Barack Obama Jr. was born at Kapi'olani Medical Center on Aug. 4, 1961."

"We called the two hospitals in Honolulu: Queens and Kapi'olani," Adams stressed. "Neither of them have any records that Barack Obama was born there."

In 2009, WND documented that Obama and his supporters had first claimed he was born at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, before the story changed to Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu.

After WND's report on the two conflicting hospitals, online news sites including the United Press International and Snopes.com scrubbed their websites to eliminate any reference to Queens Medical Center, substituting instead that Obama was born at Kapi'olani Medical Center without explaining the discrepancy or the correction.

In 2010, then-candidate for governor Neil Abercrombie was involved in an Obama birth controversy when he read a letter at a Kapi'olani Medical Center centennial dinner in Honolulu that supposedly was authored by President Obama, claiming Kapi'olani as his birth hospital.

As WND reported, the letter read by Abercrombie and initially displayed on the Kapi'olani website turned out to be a computer-created likeness of a letter using HTML code, the building blocks of Internet websites, not an actual paper letter.

The White House has still not confirmed it wrote or sent the letter.

Moreover, Adams claims, the Hawaii government was engaged in a cover-up designed to tell the American public through the Obama-supporting mainstream media that Obama was born in Hawaii, even though no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama could be found on record in the Hawaii Department of Health.

In the affidavit Adams swears, "During the course of my employment, I came to understand that for political reasons, various officials in the government of Hawaii, including then-Governor Linda Lingle and various officials of the Hawaii Department of Health, including Dr. Chiyome [bleep], the director of the Hawaii Department of Health, were making representations that Senator Obama was born in Hawaii, even though no government official in Hawaii could find a long-form birth certificate for Senator Obama that had been issued by a Hawaii hospital at the time of his birth."

Adams further swears his supervisors told him to quit asking about Obama's birth records.

"During the course of my employment," Adams states in the affidavit, "I was told by senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division to stop inquiring about Senator Obama's Hawaii birth records, even though it was common knowledge among my fellow employees that no Hawaii long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Senator Obama."

"I can go get my long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate," Adams told WND. "And so I don't understand, this whole controversy should have been settled three or four years ago in about five minutes."

Nor does Adams feel the short-form Certification of Live Birth is authoritative documentation proving that Obama was born in Hawaii.

"My basic assumption is that he wasn't born there," Adams said. "Certifications of Live Birth were given to people who were born at home, or to people who were born overseas and whose parents brought them back to the islands. If his parents were U.S. citizens, or if one parent was a U.S. citizen, as was the case with Obama, the family would apply for a Hawaiian birth certificate when the parents came back from overseas. That's normally how you would have gotten on [a Certification of Live Birth] in the 1960s."

WND has reported that in 1961, Obama's grandparents, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham, could have made an in-person request at the Hawaii Department of Health for a registration of a Hawaii birth, even if the infant Barack Obama Jr. had been foreign-born.

In the past few days, Abercrombie has represented that there is a registration of Obama's birth in the state archives.

But the state registration of birth in 1961 theoretically could prove only that the grandparents had registered Obama's birth, even if Obama was not born in Hawaii.

Similarly, the newspaper announcements of baby Obama's birth do not prove he was born in Hawaii, since the newspaper announcements could have been triggered by the grandparents appearing in-person to register baby Obama as a Hawaiian birth, even if the baby was born elsewhere.

WND has documented that the address reported in the birth announcements published in the Hawaii newspapers at the time, 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, was the address where the grandparents lived.

WND has also reported that Barack Obama Sr. maintained his own separate apartment in Honolulu at an 11th Avenue address, even after he was supposedly married to Ann Dunham, Barack Obama's mother, and that Ann Dunham left Hawaii within three weeks of the baby's birth to attend the University of Washington in Seattle.

Dunham did not return to Hawaii until after Barack Obama Sr. left Hawaii in June 1962 to attend graduate school at Harvard University in Cambridge, Mass.

It's possible the yet-undisclosed birth record in the state archives that Abercrombie has discovered may have come from the grandparents registering baby Obama's birth, an event that would have triggered both the newspaper birth announcements and availability of a Certification of Live Birth, even if no long-form record exists.

WND has confirmed with Glen Takahashi, elections administrator for the city and county of Honolulu, that Adams was indeed working in their elections offices during the last presidential election.

"We hire temporary workers, because we're seasonal," Takahashi told WND.

Adams told WND he supported Hillary Clinton during the 2008 presidential election campaign.

He described himself as a libertarian who wants less government spending, fewer laws that restrict personal freedoms, more adherences to the Constitution and an end to foreign wars.

"I'm interested in individual liberty and upholding the Constitution," he said. "I want to get American troops out from foreign countries, and I want to see the federal budget balanced."

He said he might be inclined to support former-Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee or former-Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney in 2012 to run against President Obama, but he has not yet made up his mind.

"It depends on how fiscally conservative Huckabee and Romney turn out to be on economics," he said. "But from what I know right now, they would probably be better than Obama."


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Well if nothing else this should cost Obama a couple more million in hush money and money to lawyers.

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Originally Posted by watch4bear
When did he change his name, and why? Was he running from the law, and needed an alias?
Some people are deservedly ashamed of their past, and some try to hide their future.


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Originally Posted by northwestalaska
At what point do we talk about something that matters> This is a dead end issue that will help Trump bury the GOP's hopes of finding a candidate that can debate the Pres and maybe even win in Nov. 2012. Trump has found a sound bite that has the base all excited but we all know that he will not run or if he does will not find 30% of the vote in the general election.

Trump is the same side show that Palin was 2 months ago, just louder. Lets hope that Trump and Palin pair up so we can have twice the laughs at 1/2 the price!
Yea, it doesn't matter to a lot of illegals and azzholes if the guy who swore to uphold our constitution is a fraud, liar and cheat. He'll keep his promises to us. He loves us little guys and will fight to the last drop of our blood.


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Originally Posted by northwestalaska
And every one from Kansas is gay!
Watch what you say fellow. You just bore false witness against thy neighbor. The Lord (uh GOD-as opposed to"god" in your post) owns your breath.


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Originally Posted by northwestalaska
And every one from Kansas is gay!
Watch what you say fellow. You just bore false witness against thy neighbor. The Lord (uh GOD-as opposed to"god" in your post) owns your breath.
Originally Posted by rrroae
Why don't you get with it and provide a simple link since you seem to be such an expert on the subject.
He has provided a 'certificate of live birth' which is not a 'birth certificate'.


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27. Discredit the Bible.
28. Eliminate prayer in the schools.

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The only folks who are talking about how "stupid" Birthers are are either Libs themselves or dumassses.


Ann Coulter, Karl Rove ("the architect"), Tim Pawlenty, Michelle Malkin, Lindsey Graham, Michael Steele, Rick Santorum, Bill O'Reilly, Micheal Medved, National Review, The American Spectator, Human Events, Fox News, "and every major conservative outlet" per Ann Coulter, have discounted and discredited this issue.

Are they conservatives?


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Tim Adam's,.. - not the most credible source wouldn't you say?



Adams describes himself as a Clinton primary supporter, who later voted for McCain in the 2008 general election. While a student at the University of Hawaii, he says he was working a temp position and came to know from his superiors at the local Honolulu elections office, part of the City Clerk�s office, that Barack Obama was not born in that city or county or anywhere in the State of Hawaii.

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I have never received my birth certificate - the place where I was born does not issue one. Rather, they only issue a "Certificate of Live Birth" to prevent (or at least minimize) the occurrence of fraud.

Does this mean that I was not born in the US?

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Does this mean that I was not born in the US?


You may not have been born on this planet grin


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Originally Posted by rrroae
Why don't you get with it and provide a simple link since you seem to be such an expert on the subject.
He has provided a 'certificate of live birth' which is not a 'birth certificate'.




Can you provide a link from a credible source that shows Hawaii doesn't use a 'certificate of live birth' as a legal document for birth?


Or even show me what version of birth certificate you're talking about and that those versions are available in Hawaii.

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