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Please find below photos and comments on bullets that I recovered from game between 1996 and 2009. Bullets recovered from game are shown with a red background, if I had an unfired version of the recovered bullet or one which was recovered from test media they are shown with a blue background. 1996 12 gauge Winchester factory .50 cal sabot slug. The slug was recovered from a large mule deer doe shot at about 100 yards. The slug entered +-8 inches behind the left shoulder area crossed through both lungs, lodged beneath the skin near the scapular humerus joint on the right shoulder. There was little or no reaction to the shot, the deer walked about 40 yards and dropped. 1996 .338 win mag 200g Nosler Ballistic Tip. the bullet was recovered from a large mule deer buck shot at about 80 yards, the deer was 3/4 facing toward me. The bullet entered the left side of the neck, clipped the spine, passed through lungs and lodged behind the right shoulder, +/- 28 inches of penetration. Instant kill.
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2001.25-06 Winchester factory ammo, 115 g combined technologies ballistic tip. Small whitetail buck (size of a doe with tiny pencil thin antlers, very glad it was an either or WMU)the bullet entered high in the left shoulder, broke the top of the scapula, cut through the spine and top of right should flesh, lodging beneath the hide. Pieces of jacket and core found along passage of the bullet. The core was found separate from the jacket about 1/8 inch away. about 8 inches of penetration, 47grains remaining, 41% of bullet weight. deer dropped at the shot and never moved. the entire left should was ruined. . 2003 .25-06 Barnes 115g X mature whitetail buck bedded at about 30 yards the bullet entered on the near hip (I rather badly misjudged the angle)missed the hip bone, through the body, through the far scapula, lodged under the skin a few inches ahead of the hole in the scapula. 40+ inches of penetration, all petals were lost,one found near the bullet, 90.6g remaining, metplat was about .4 inch.
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2004 .25-06 120g Seirra gameking HP, whitetail doe which had been wounded the evening before, bumped while I was tracking it, running straight away, the bullet entered rear right leg near the pelvis well above the site of the original wound, travelled through about 16 inches of muscle, part of the jacket found near the 3 exit wounds; I assume core and jacket seperated leaving part behind and making the 3 exit wounds. This shot dropped the deer and my daughter was able to get up to the deer and finish it . This was a hard experience for my daughter as this was her fist deer. She showed great effort in assisting with the tracking Once finding a tiny fragment of bone in deep brown grass when I had lost the trail. In her next hunting experiences she was much concerned with a clean kill than antler size. 2004 .25-06 120g Seirra Gameking HP, large whitetail doe quartering away, bullet entered body about 3 inches back of the last rib, travelled through about 14 inches passed between ribs and was found in the should area under the hide. I will post the remaining bullets later, perhaps as late as Sunday or Monday. To folow are 3 .257 110g Nosler Accubonds, 1 8mm 195g Hornady Interlock, and 4 8mm 200g swift Aframes. Thanks for having a look. GRF
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Interesting, here's a few I got from a couple of years ago 85gr from a WT at 300 yds 69gr SMK from a WT at 70 yds A pair of 139gr SST from a deer double at 100 yds.
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This is the only bullet i've ever recovered, a 140 gr. Swift A-Frame @ 2950 fps from my .270 Win. The bullet entered a mule deer buck bedded below and facing me, in the neck breaking the spine, re-entering between the shoulder blades smashing 8 inches of spine, passed through liver and came to rest under the skin on the inside of a hind leg. I believe the retained weight was about 93% and the shot was about 100 yards. Richard
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Left to right: 350g North Fork, .45-70, 6x6 elk 160g Grand Slam, 7mm Rem Mag, 5x5 elk 162g Hornady BTSP, spike elk 180g North Fork, .300 Win Mag, 200-yard steel Left to right: 30-06, 165 grain North Fork @ 2800fps, recovered from dirt (500 yards, 145.0 grains retained weight) .30-06, 165 grain North Fork @ 2800fps, recovered from cow elk (~25 yards, 133.2 grains retained weight) 7mm 140 grain North Fork @ 3200fps, recovered from buck mule deer (~150 yards, right ham to sternum, 131.2 grains retained weight)
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Which proves that bullets use outside thier designed capabilities usually come apart.
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2009 .325 wsm, 200g Swift A-Frame, bullet 1; large Red Hartebeest quartering away at last light, I miss-judged the angle (do you see a commom theme so far :)) the bullet entered the abdomen on left side and lodged in the centre of the right shoulder; what Robertson refers to as the vital triangle in his perfect shot book. The bull ran off with the herd; it covered 150 yards. About 22 inches of penetration, recovered bullet weighed 195.9g, 97.95%, metplat .590 inch. Bullet 2 large Eland bull almost full broadside at about 100 yards, bullet entered dead centre in the "vital triangle" and stopped behind the left shoulder. At the shot the bull headed straight out at a full run for about 20 yards, made a hard right turn and piled up about 90 yards further out. The bullet penetrated 27 inches, 197.6g 98.8% metplat about .64 inch. Bullets on the blue background were recovered from mixed wet paper. Bullet 3 Large Kudu bull at about 125 yards moving in and out of heavy cover, quartering sharply away (sharper than I thought, a continuing theme ) the bullet entered the back of the left scapula travelled through the spine and lodged in the right side of the neck. Bullet 4 same Kudu bull still alive when we approached, shot at about 3 yards bullet entered the sterum through the chest and the spine recovered under the hide. The bullets on the blue background were recovered form wet tightly bound glossy magazines.
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2005 .25-06 110g Nosler Accubond large mule deer buck running away at about 160 yards bullet entered the 3rd from last rib and travelled about 16 inches and lodged in the spine. Large entrance wound, bullet weighed about 62g 56% with a .50 metplat 2006 .325 wsm 195g Hornday interlock, large whitetail at about 230 yards bullet entered behind left shoulder and exited just in front of the right sirloin jcket broke off about .3 inch from the base of the bullet 2008 .25-06 110g Nosler accubond large Axis deer at 250 yards, bullet 1 entered the left shoulder and lodged under the hide in the centre of the right shoulder. The deer went down not out, and I was told to shoot again. Bullet 2 entered at the base of the neck on the right side and lodged in the far left shoulder. Bullet 1 20 inches penetration, 71.8g 65.3% .46 metplat Bullet 2 16 inches penetration, 58.6g 53.3% .47 metplat That's all folks,thanks for having a look. GRF
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250 Speer Grand Slam, 340 Wtby, 2990 fps @ 200 yards, moose shoulder 225 XFB, 340 Wtby @ 175 yards, moose shoulder; broke upper ends, both humerus 170 Core-Lokt; 30-30 @ 90 yards, moose shoulder 160 FailSafe @ 275 yards, 7mm-08, moose shoulder, lodged against spine 200 BT @ 200 yards, 340 Wtby, moose, broadside through chest 235 grain .375 TSX - moose 150 yards Pic tells detail - young grizzy through shoulder area; no major bones broken - 30 yards 140 Partition - 6.5 Swede @ 150 yards, moose, just below shoulder 100 XFB @ 200 yards, 7mm-08, second of two caribou 160 Interlock - 6.5 Swede @ 100 yards, caribou frontal shot, aft recovery [img] http://www.hunt101.com/data/556/6772Ballistictipbullets.jpg[/img] [img] http://www.hunt101.com/data/556/medium/120TSX.jpg[/img] 120 TSX - 7mm-08 at 200 yards, caribou shoulder [img] http://www.hunt101.com/data/544/medium/IMG_01067.JPG[/img] 140 A-frame, 270 Win (downloaded a bit for 10 year-old), moose scapula @ 225 yards
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Klikitarik, have you ever used the 125g partition in the 6.5 swede? GRF
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145 Speer Grand Slam, 7mm-08 @ 175 yards, caribou onside shoulder 85 XBT, 6mm @ 400, caribou low head shot from behind (broke femoral artery, lodged in stomach ) 225 XFB. 340 @ 495 meters, moose 350 Hornady FN, 450 Marlin, ported Guide Gun @ 1 yard, 14 foot beluga, chest 180 Woodleigh, 30-06 @ 40 yards, moose scapula, both 300 Speer Uni-Cor, 45-70 @ 45 yards, moose scapula, both
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Klikitarik, have you ever used the 125g partition in the 6.5 swede? GRF Have a few; haven't used them. They aren't needed for lighter animals like caribou. (I use 120 NBT or other C&C.) For moose, I loaded the 140 for added oomph. I had the mad loaded alternately with A-Frames (140) and Partitions. I fired all four rounds into the same moose. The shots were spaced out due to the fact that other moose in the same general area were mingling with the one we were "killing". Therefore, the animal had to be positively re-identified each time. The Partitions stopped against the hide; the A-frames stuck in the meat before getting all the way through. That leg was shared with others so bullets were not recovered. Bottom line for my use is the Swede is a fine ordinary bullet cartridge. The best bullets are useful when you push it to make it do heavy duty chores that are almost above it's ideal use. Then it makes sense to me to use heavier bullets anyway.
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GRF your use and results with the 120 Sierra game king parallel the results I've had with the older Sierra 120 gr HollowPoint Boat tail from the 25-06. They work fine on ribcage shots broadside on deer and antelope, quartering or having to stay together after big bones they aren't good at. Light duty for sure. Thanks for the pics I can see some 110 Accubonds coming my way now in 25. Magnum Man
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Klikitarik, Thanks so much for sharing your photos. I run the 125g partition in my son's 6.5x55 great success on whitetail and mule deer. Your recovered X bullets confirm my concerns after media testing regarding the X not expanding at lower velocity or greater distance.
Magnum Man; I do not think that I will use any other bullet than the 110g Accubond in my .25-06 from here on in. Accurate and deadly, I once put one through a whitetail buck at 18 yards whilst still hunting, broke bone and went right on through. GRF
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I haven't recovered many, especially since switching to Barnes but here's my contribution. 140gr PMC factory 6.5x55 on a whitetail buck quartering away at a steep angle at about 25 yards. Behind the last rib on one side and recovered under the shoulder blade ont he other side. 160gr TSX Federal Premium factory 7mm Rem Mag on a bull moose at 100 yards. Quartering towards, bullet entered between the on shoulder and the neck. The bullet was recovered in the kidney area on the other side. A second one broke it's neck as it was still standing but passed through after breaking the spine. 225gr TSX handload at 2700 fps from my .35 Whelen on a bull moose from 10 yards. Finishing shot to the forehead. First shot from 100 yard pass through on a high shoulder shot a little too far back. When I got closer, the bull got up on its front leg trying to charge but the rear end was disabled. Recovered the bullet in the neck after smashing through several inches of spine.
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Have a few recovered bullets here, but only pics of these 2. 243 90gr SciroccoII from a whitetail. It entered the right rear leg and I found it up in the left shoulder. Barnes 250gr Muzzleloader bullet. We have quite a few .44 240gr XTP's that we recovered from deer before we switched to the Barnes MZ bullet ~10 years ago. I, my brother, mother, father, sister-in-law, and brother-in-law all use the Barnes and I honestly don't know how many deer we've shot with them. The one above is the only one that has ever stayed in a whitetail for any of us. I've never recovered a TSX or X yet, but I do know where there are 3 of them in trees after they exited deer. Thought about cutting them out but never went back to do it.
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