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Gents, has there been a rule change I'm unaware of?

To ship a rifle out of state, do I still need a copy of the FFL to where it is going?

Would seem I would have heard if the rules have changed.....

Doug,

No change that I'm aware of. All you really need are the first 3 and last 5 digits of their FFL number to check/verify it on the ATF's site.

https://www.atfonline.gov/fflezcheck/

Then wrap 'er up and ship 'er off.

-Dan

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clark's 100% right

Don't ask Bricktop.....

I'm sure he is, but I couldn't resist posting the bricktop signal.

I've had boxes containing rifles opened during shipment. I won't ship a rifle unless the buyer provides a signed copy from his FFL, which in-turn goes in the box with the rifle, whether it's required or not.

Phil

Dan,

The link is only to check to see if the FFL in question is, in fact, valid.

I'd still need a copy of the FFL in hand before shipping.

A faxed copy is ok. Signed in ink not necessary any more. I bring it to show the counter monkey if he needs to harass me.


HM

I do both. A copy goes in the box, with the buyer's name written on it, so there is no confusion on the receiving FFL's end, in case it's inspected for whatever reason along the way, or worst case scenario the shipping label on the outside becomes unreadable. Not necessary, but cheap insurance.

I also have a copy in hand, in case I ever get challenged.

Of course, shipping from a small town post office, where they literally know everybody by name, makes it easy, with very "challenges".

And faxed copies are fine...

Doug,

NY may be different than TX, but here all you really need are the numbers I mentioned above. When you punch the numbers into that website, it will give you the name and address of the FFL, and that's where you need to send it to.

Actually having the FFL in hand is not necessary, but most people like it because it gives them a warm and fuzzy.

Edited to add, I usually will comply with whatever the seller wants. My FFL guy has emailed me a copy of his license and I'll send that out when somebody asks for it, but there are always people that want a signed copy or a faxed copy or whatever. Not needed, but like I said, it gives them a warm and fuzzy, so I go along with it.

-Dan

Here we go again!!!!!!!!!!! Hopefully, this one won't last long!

FWIW, the FFL I use refuses to send out a hard copy any more, stating the ATF put out a memo instructing dealers not to send them due to fraudulent copies/licenses being circulated. Said they were instructed to give numbers to verify on the ATF's Ezcheck web-page.

Sold a rifle, the buyers FFL told him I didn't need the FFL, want to be sure.

According to ATF;

478.147 Return of firearm.
A person not otherwise prohibited by
Federal, State or local law may ship a
firearm to a licensed importer, licensed
manufacturer, or licensed dealer for any
lawful purpose, and, notwithstanding any
other provision of this part, the licensed
manufacturer, licensed importer, or licensed
dealer may return in interstate or
foreign commerce to that person the firearm
or a replacement firearm of the same
kind and type. See � 478.124(a) for requirements
of a Form 4473 prior to return.
A person not otherwise prohibited by Federal,
State or local law may ship a firearm
curio or relic to a licensed collector for any
lawful purpose, and, notwithstanding any
other provision of this part, the licensed
collector may return in interstate or foreign
commerce to that person the firearm curio
or relic.

The key here being "licensed dealer", I'll wait for a copy of said license before I ship.

Thanks all.

The Bricktop signal was HILARIOUS, funniest thing I have seen in a while!!!! Thanks for that.....

Brent

Can't believe Bricktop hasn't answered the call as of yet... May be under the weather..

Absolutely.. If nothing else, it's a CYA thingy..

I always provide a copy of mine when I have a customer ship a rifle.. No problems that way.. And for God's sake, don't use UPS..


(hehehehe)..

Regarding UPS.... "Rumor has it"...

Do you still need to sign a sworn declaration of what's in the box, and provide the serial number?

Come on Bricktop, you have yet to be wrong on this topic.

BTW, it's all right there on Gunbroker.com in plain English ...... so whom do you trust?

Hope Bricktop hasn't given up, lost hope