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Originally Posted by M1Garand
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Geez Hawk,

You are batschit crazy if you don't think we had the right to go in and smoke that bearded azzhat.

It's called a War sonny, you kill them wherever you find them.


He's a top rate keyboard commando...you won't see a better armchair quarterback making calls from the safety of his computer.
I don't think that's fair. I question the orders, not the conduct of our soldiers. Had their order been to "acquire Bin Laden by whatever means necessary, alive if possible, dead if need be," I wouldn't care to examine the conduct of the soldiers, as I would be happy to give our boys the benefit of the doubt as to their operations on the ground.

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Originally Posted by Steve_NO
oops, sorry Mannlicher, didn't see you beat me to it.


no problem Steve, it is too good a story to miss. There are some out there that might not yet realize what a fruit cake ron paul is. laugh

edited to add..................... WOW, TRH is on a freaking ROLL with this one. laugh

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

How about the laws against killing folks without either 1) justification (high risk felony suspect resisting arrest, self-defense, etc.) or 2) a judicial order.


So, you think the SEAL that pulled the trigger is guilty also then?

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He was being sought under suspicion of being connected with crimes committed against Americans on 9/11/2001.


Sorry, but the "suspicion of being connected with" ended a long time ago. The man openly admitted many, many times that he was responsible. He also said that the collapse of the towers was FAR more than he had hoped for. Was his own confession not good enough for ya' Hawk?
A bullet in the front, back, or side of the head was WAY to good for this guy.
All that information would be highly relevant in a murder case against him, but none of it would warrant a presidential order for extrajudicial execution. That power doesn't reside with our president, or anyone else within our system of government, because the Founders understood the dangers such a power would engender.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Had their order been to "acquire Bin Laden by whatever means necessary, alive if possible, dead if need be," I wouldn't care to examine the conduct of the soldiers, as I would be happy to give our boys the benefit of the doubt as to their operations on the ground.
Just to take that and run a tad - maybe that's what their orders were .. None of us have seen their orders and most likely never will - therefore this is all moot..


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Originally Posted by Pete E
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

How about the laws against killing folks without either 1) justification (high risk felony suspect resisting arrest, self-defense, etc.) or 2) a judicial order.


So, you think the SEAL that pulled the trigger is guilty also then?
Depends on the circumstances, of course. No agent of the US Government is permitted to participate in extrajudicial executions.

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Originally Posted by Redneck
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Had their order been to "acquire Bin Laden by whatever means necessary, alive if possible, dead if need be," I wouldn't care to examine the conduct of the soldiers, as I would be happy to give our boys the benefit of the doubt as to their operations on the ground.
Just to take that and run a tad - maybe that's what their orders were .. None of us have seen their orders and most likely never will - therefore this is all moot..
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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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in his never ending quest to make himself an irrelevant joke, RP stepped up to the plate to denounce the killing of Osama bin Laden. this will, I'm sure, endear him to the Michael Moore/troofer wing of his supporters, but should send any sane people who were thinking about voting for him screaming to the exits. Adios, Ron.

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/12/paul-killing-obl-absolutely-was-not-necessary/
Yeah, what a total nutjob. He's actually proposing that the US government should have operated according to law. Insane! grin


Nope, only the irrational, and unfounded, misreading of the law that you and the kook-crew espouse.




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Originally Posted by VAnimrod
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Originally Posted by Steve_NO
in his never ending quest to make himself an irrelevant joke, RP stepped up to the plate to denounce the killing of Osama bin Laden. this will, I'm sure, endear him to the Michael Moore/troofer wing of his supporters, but should send any sane people who were thinking about voting for him screaming to the exits. Adios, Ron.

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/12/paul-killing-obl-absolutely-was-not-necessary/
Yeah, what a total nutjob. He's actually proposing that the US government should have operated according to law. Insane! grin


Nope, only the irrational, and unfounded, misreading of the law that you and the kook-crew espouse.
laugh I'm in good company, then.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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How about the laws against killing folks without either 1) justification (high risk felony suspect resisting arrest, self-defense, etc.) or 2) a judicial order.


So, you think the SEAL that pulled the trigger is guilty also then?
Depends on the circumstances, of course. No agent of the US Government is permitted to participate in extrajudicial executions.


It wasn't. Dealing with pirates/terrorists is long established practice, and fortunately you haven't a friggin' clue about actual legal precedent or foundation.




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When it comes to domestic issues, I agree with RP most of the time.

However, some of his opinions on foreign policy leave alot to be desired.


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Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
When it comes to domestic issues, I agree with RP some of the time.

However, his opinions on foreign policy leave everything to be desired.


Fixed it for ya...

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
No agent of the US Government is permitted to participate in extrajudicial executions.


And everybody in the Chain of Command between Obama and the SEAL in question who knowingly facilitated the assination would also be guilty on the grounds of them being accessories to the crime?

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Originally Posted by Pete E
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
No agent of the US Government is permitted to participate in extrajudicial executions.


And everybody in the Chain of Command between Obama and the SEAL in question who knowingly facilitated the assination would also be guilty on the grounds of them being accessories to the crime?
If indeed a crime was committed, of course. We don't have that information, however.

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Originally Posted by Pete E
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
No agent of the US Government is permitted to participate in extrajudicial executions.


And everybody in the Chain of Command between Obama and the SEAL in question who knowingly facilitated the assination would also be guilty on the grounds of them being accessories to the crime?


Pete;

TRH is so far off base on his understanding of law and rights, and said same when applied to terrorists/pirates, that it's laughable.

He imagines that the U.S. Constitution requires that the U.S. gov't deal with ALL persons, EVERYWHERE, at ALL times, in the same manner that it has to with U.S. citizens.





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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
If indeed a crime was committed, of course. We don't have that information.


I think you need to ring 911 straight away.....

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Sorry, but Osama needed killing. His public pronouncements could have been played in a courtroom and that would have closed the case. Guilty of premeditated mass murder. Period.
If Ron Paul lacks the good sense to STFU, or understand that not STFU when needed is bad for one's political ambitions, then he obviously doesn't have a good read on what America wants, much less what it might need.


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Hawkeye....you wouldn't know the rule of law if it chased you down in a pickup truck.


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Originally Posted by Steve_NO
Hawkeye....you wouldn't know the rule of law if it chased you down in a pickup truck.
..........Agreed! The libs have gotton ahold of him.

He equates, that all US laws should be carried into the international arena as well.



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