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cooperfan,
Don't forget this is the optics forum where inconsistancy is the norm.
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I am impressed with the weight and performance in such a compact package.
I would consider such an investment if it holds up to the abuse of some hard hunting use.
Beat that thing up and let us know how it holds.
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300MAG,
Do you happen to have a Swarovski z5 to compare it with for clarity? Reading that it is better than the NightForce is very much fun for me.
How does it compare with a 56mm NightForce in low light? Please get over the "Swarovski vs Nightforce " hangup you have.... Its tiring. You are like a broken record that repeats its self over and over. Not only on this forum but every other on the damn internet. Stop it! Stop it! Stop it! Get over it, let it go...we all get it.... The Nightforce and Bushnell 6500 appear better to you in low light than the Swarovski. Get a [bleep] life other than the only scope comparison you ever made. Thanks and take care. Sincerily, Manic Hunter PS. When your parents threw you in the lake, they weren't trying to teach you to swim!
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Manic_Hunter,
I ask the original poster because I am hoping he can give me an informed answer. For your infomrmation, there is no Swarovski vs Nightforce hang up here. I sold the Nightforce and want the lightest/best high magnification low light scope I can get. If the March 2 1/2-25X42 is it, I am all over that when the ultralight rifle is built.
If you are going to try to make someone look bad with something you think a poster posted, perhaps you should read the post more carefully. From my comparisons there is no comparison between my Swarovski z5 5-25 and my Bushnell 6500 4 1/2-30X50 in low light. The Swarovski is WAY better, not just noticably better, in low light than the Bushnell. Sorry to embaress you with the facts.
Normally I don't open threads that don't interest me. Here's some simple advise. If you don't like reading about the stuff I compare, don't read my posts. If you don't like to read about what I am interested in, don't read my posts. It is that simple.
Glad I could help.
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Dood, I'd love for you to run this scope through its paces - you'd be a good test whether or not it handles long range shooting!!
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I don't care what Stoney says - you're alright for a gay guy!! LOL!!! Did that no good Stoney say I was not "alright"!!!!
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300mag- does that scope have an illuminated reticle or is that the one sans?
I don't see a push button and I thought that's how you turned the light on the Marches.
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dennisinaz,
This is the non-illuminated version.
JB,
On your long-range scopes (Leupold I think) how much elevation travel do they have?
This particular scope has 100 MOA of elevation and 100 MOA of windage - seems like alot for how compact it is!!
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Jeff, That is a pretty generous amount of travel. We get 120 MOA from the 4.5x14 but 100 MOA is plenty and then some for any reasonable hunting application. Why don�t you loan me that scope for a year or two and I will check it out for you.
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JB,
As soon as I receive my rifle for being employee of the year, I'll ship this scope to you!!! LOL!!
Deal???
Seriously though, do you run flat scope bases or bases with some MOA built into them on your rigs??
You shoot crazy distances & I was just wondering if you used a MOA style scope base to take advantage of the travel in your scope??
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Jeff,
I always run bases with 20 MOA of tilt. This is much more about getting the zero and first rotation in the optical center of the scope.
If I was you I would really try and get your scope mounted so your zeroed slightly below optical center and then you will have the best resolution in your first rotation.
It is amazing how much optical performance is lost with the erector cell moved far away from center.
Also the center of travel might or might not be the optical center of the scope, so be sure and know where your scope is centered.
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JB (and others), who makes good 20 MOA bases besides Badger? Any quality lightweights out there?
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Glad you like it....
But, for nigh-$3k, the damned thing better suck my ****, find the game, pull the trigger, dress the critter, and pack it out.
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VA, I don't think a 20 MOA base will do all that, but it will get you 20 MOA of elevation......
I hear Seekins makes a good lightweight product.
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JB (and others), who makes good 20 MOA bases besides Badger? Any quality lightweights out there? It's my understanding that you can get close (depending on ring spacing) to that with Burris Signature rings and their various inserts. Might be a bit cheaper route to the same place.
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JB,
Good info - thanks!!
VAnimrod,
Scope was $1900, but for $3000 I'll bet you could get a very nice lady of the evening to take care of all your needs you mentioned above!!
Smokepole,
Here's some good picatinney style bases: Murphy Precision, Near Mfg, NightForce, Badger (they make a lightweight), and Seekins.
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$1900.... getting closer to being reasonable.
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