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I have the PM9, and it can be pocket carried, but I prefer a good holster, true pocket carry for me is a P3AT or similar size, the 9mm are just enough larger that they don't disappear as well for me in a pocket.
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Just picked up my new Kahr P9 today, it's not much bigger than the PM9. Just got done breaking it down and cleaning and greasing/oiling it up. Racked the slide about 500 times. Will hit the range sometime next week.
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Have a LC9 that I carry in a DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster. Fits in the pocket easily, 100% reliable, has great sights, and is very easy to shoot accurately. Trigger really smoothed out after a couple hundred rounds also. I highly reccomend it for the price.
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I picked up the new kahr CM9 a little while ago. Its the cheaper version of the PM9, it was $420. They were also selling the CW9 for $370. Its a half inch bigger in both directions.
I have three hundred rounds thru it and no hiccups at all. It kicks less than my P3AT or so it feels. Its a pocket gun in most of my pants, the P3AT is definately less noticeable. I do think that most guys worry too much about printing anyway. Everone carries big cell phones in their pockets these days. Nobody will notice the CM9 size gun.
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I have a fair amount of experience with carrying small guns. They are very popular with people who have never really needed a gun badly and had to use one under such conditions. On the other hand, those that have had such experiences strongly favor carrying something they shoot well at any range. Something with some weight and size. If concealability is a concern, get a flat auto and carry it inside the waistband. Unless you plan to shoot through your pocket at an assailant, I'd skip the pocket carry idea. Sorry, I don't like carrying a heavy gun either at times. But I hate being in situations where I can't prevail with a gun alot more. E
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I have a fair amount of experience with carrying small guns. They are very popular with people who have never really needed a gun badly and had to use one under such conditions. Bullschit. Myself, and TLEE, for two as very readily apparent ones who disprove your BS theory. On the other hand, those that have had such experiences strongly favor carrying something they shoot well at any range. Something with some weight and size.
Rule #1 is to have a gun. After that, everything is second. If concealability is a concern, get a flat auto and carry it inside the waistband. Unless you plan to shoot through your pocket at an assailant, I'd skip the pocket carry idea. Unless, of course, you can carry in the pocket far more easily than IWB, due to dress attire, location, etc. And, a small, flat semi-auto in the BACK pocket where...oh...I don't know... a WALLET would normally be presumed to be.... works wonders. Sorry, I don't like carrying a heavy gun either at times. But I hate being in situations where I can't prevail with a gun alot more. E Again, back to Rule #1.
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I will add: Any gun when you need a gun is better than no gun.
Would I could, I would carry a full size 1911 and an M1 Garand!
But my Sig P238 and/or my Kel-Tec P32 are ALWAYS with me, before that, the Colt 1903 was the one I carried with the KT as BUG.
Carried a lot of mouse guns over the years as they were all I could conceal at the time.
The ones I carry I can SHOOT, and shoot well, as I believe bullet placement is the key. A hit or two with a mouse gun beats hell out of a whole cylinder full of 44 Magnum misses any day.
Oh yeah, I have actually had to shoot another person in SD and I am here to tell it!
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Bigger guns are very popular for guys that don't carry everyday also. Not saying you can't (do you?) and people don't make it work, but most guys that tell me I need a bigger gun don't carry one most of the time. They only carry when they think they need to, or when they are dressed for it. I take a pocket gun everywhere, everyday. But it's true, ive never needed one in a defensive situation. But im pretty sure 380 or 9mm gold dots are better than nothing.
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If concealability is a concern, get a flat auto and carry it inside the waistband. Unless you plan to shoot through your pocket at an assailant, I'd skip the pocket carry idea. I'll tell you what, you get your shooting timer and post your draw times from the holster for your belt carry gun, and I'll post my time with my PM9/pocket holster gun. We'll see who's fastest, except I get to start with hand in my pocket on the gun, cause that's what I do all the time when people whom I percieve to be a possible threat walk up to me. You go for a firing grip routinely on your waist every time some panhandler walks up to you, sooner or later you'll be explaining your actions to the local gendarme. I stand and talk to folks all the time with about a half-firing grip on my Khar
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So you think the guy with the fastest draw is going to win the fight ? It's rarely an issue on the street. You either see it coming and get ahead of the curve or you have no time at all. E
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VA, you are the one talking about theories. I'm speaking from experience here. This is what I've decided I'm going to do and why when comes to carrying a gun for serious bussiness. You can call it BS if you wish, but you only miss the point. And that is, if I'm going to carry, I'm carrying something that will give me an edge. Mouse guns don't do that nearly as well as a full size gun. Now, if it comes down to being too much of a bother to carry a full size gun, what it really comes down to is wether you are willing to pack the size and weight. I am and you are not. Good luck with that. E
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Chose the largest firearm you can and will comfortably(meaning ALWAYS) carry and shoot with proficiencly. It's the Indian not the arrow that wins fights, BUT a good Indian won't intentionally handicap himself unnecessarily. If you KNOW you're going into harms way, take a quality carbine AND some buddies with the same. If however you're just going through "everyday life" where a threat may or may not present itself, compromises are made------and "everyday life" is different in Mayberry than it is Detroit. Rule#1 (having a gun)is the only rule you can't break and still be armed. All other choices are personal and fall somewhere along the continuum of concessions and priorities. I've chosen an all steel 5" 1911 for 98% of my off duty carry. If the circumstances just won't allow that, I switch to a G27 on my ankle and a Kel-Tec 3AT in my pocket. Yes, I feel better armed with the first pistol, but I'll still gladly use my smaller tools rather than ever break Rule#1.
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Well if you have the Glock 17 I would go with the 26. I have shot these and really like them. Easy to shoot, accurate as hell and you can use your magazines in either gun!
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I know, it's a subject that has been beat to death, resurrected and then beat some more, but I am bumping this thread to see if anybody has anything new to add.
I am consolidating calibers and want a pocket 9mm. I have a Sig P238 (.380) that I am going to sell and replace with something similar. I mention that because the size of a P238 is about the biggest I want to go. Anything bigger requires a different level of preparation to carry it (at least that's my limited experience).
I put my mitts on a Sig P938 (the 9mm version of the P238) but the trigger pull was ridiculously hard. I wouldn't argue a bit if somebody told me it was 10lbs. Really. Plus, the price is spendy. Sig is pretty proud of their guns.
So...does anybody have anything to add as to what else should be on my short list?
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And by the way...given the poor reputation of the Kimber Solo, it's presently off my list.
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Kimber's Solo is alot like the Rorbach (sp?) where they recommend a couple of brands of ammo to use. If you ignore their recommendation you will have problems. That's the point of following the instructions.
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Yeah, I read that on their website. But, who wants to be limited to two brands of ammo??? What if you can't find any? What if those companies stop making it? What if you want to shoot $10/box stuff for practice?
Until you can feed it anything, the Solo remains off the list.
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I put my mitts on a Sig P938 (the 9mm version of the P238) but the trigger pull was ridiculously hard. I wouldn't argue a bit if somebody told me it was 10lbs. Really. Plus, the price is spendy. Sig is pretty proud of their guns.
The trigger pull is a bit much but mine has improved. It still has a certain amount of predictable, repeatable creep. For a single action gun carried in a pocket, I almost consider the trigger pull weight a safety feature in additional to the mechanical safety. I have not regretted purchasing mine.
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Kimber's Solo is alot like the Rorbach (sp?) where they recommend a couple of brands of ammo to use. If you ignore their recommendation you will have problems. That's the point of following the instructions. And it's also way too expensive for everyday carry and huge compared to many more practical, useful guns. Kimber tried but missed the mark.
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