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smithrjd,
I guess I'll have to be more specific about the 150-pound/leopard deal.
JKH found standard (not "premium") .243 bullets, like those in Winchester's average factory ammo, to work perfectly on leopards, because they expanded violently and did a lot of interior damage. This knocked the snot out of 150-pound animals. I believe he even really liked the 80-grain "varmint load," though will check on that.
I have found the .243 to be capable on animals much bigger than 150 pounds with bullets such as the 100-grain Nosler Partition.
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I've read a few stories of .243's taking out moose no problem.
you know what caliber has killed more elephant than any other?
7x57.
so what to say a .243 can't kill anything on this continent without issue.
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My son has a very good chance of getting drawn for moose this year. He is 14, has 3 deer under his belt, all with his ,243. He has also shot my 6.5x55, but not my 30.06
If he were to get drawn, and decided to use his .243, which premium bullet would you recommend? I have no experience with moose other than our scraggly little shira's. But of the 3 of those I've seen shot and killed with a 243, one went down in a heap after being hit with hornday 100 gr,one with a 95 gr partition, and one was a Winchester 100 gr factory load. So maybe try several of the "premium" bullets to see which shoots the best, and if none of them out shoot the the plane ol 100 gr cup and cores then go with the cup and core.
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Absolutely amazing how many are against shooting a moose with a 100 Gr bullet out of a 243 win going 2850 fps but would think nothin of shooting one with a 40 lb bow and 100gr broad head going 300 fps.
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Absolutely amazing how many are against shooting a moose with a 100 Gr bullet out of a 243 win going 2850 fps but would think nothin of shooting one with a 40 lb bow and 100gr broad head going 300 fps. I make this same comparison all the time. It's not so much about what's reality, but what peoples preceptions are of what is acceptable or "normal". You could make the same comparison to a low velocity black powder rifle, or those who choose to spear or knife their game where legal.
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I have never said it can't be done . . . . . there's just better options IMHO, and the Original Poster has one at least available to his son -- 6.5X55 Swede. And YOU knife the moose. I live with them, and only a retard would hunt them with a knife.
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>grin<
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If that Swede lacks a little, the .260 Rem would more than suffice (or is it the other way 'round) *magic bullets for either of 'em though*
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Absolutely amazing how many are against shooting a moose with a 100 Gr bullet out of a 243 win going 2850 fps but would think nothin of shooting one with a 40 lb bow and 100gr broad head going 300 fps. you can get 300fps with a 40lb Bow?? holy cow. lol 39 inch draw or something lol.
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Absolutely amazing how many are against shooting a moose with a 100 Gr bullet out of a 243 win going 2850 fps but would think nothin of shooting one with a 40 lb bow and 100gr broad head going 300 fps. you can get 300fps with a 40lb Bow?? holy cow. lol 39 inch draw or something lol. I'm not a bow hunter, just guessing for illustration purposes. and yes I do have a 39" draw!!
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Absolutely amazing how many are against shooting a moose with a 100 Gr bullet out of a 243 win going 2850 fps but would think nothin of shooting one with a 40 lb bow and 100gr broad head going 300 fps. you can get 300fps with a 40lb Bow?? holy cow. lol 39 inch draw or something lol. I'm not a bow hunter, just guessing for illustration purposes. and yes I do have a 39" draw!! You must have a 90" arm span
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smithrjd,
I guess I'll have to be more specific about the 150-pound/leopard deal.
JKH found standard (not "premium") .243 bullets, like those in Winchester's average factory ammo, to work perfectly on leopards, because they expanded violently and did a lot of interior damage. This knocked the snot out of 150-pound animals. I believe he even really liked the 80-grain "varmint load," though will check on that.
I have found the .243 to be capable on animals much bigger than 150 pounds with bullets such as the 100-grain Nosler Partition. I thought it was laways illegal to kill Leopard with small bores?
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I've read a few stories of .243's taking out moose no problem.
you know what caliber has killed more elephant than any other?
7x57.
so what to say a .243 can't kill anything on this continent without issue. I highly doubt the 7X57 has killed more Elephant than any other. Yes I know Bell used one (among others) but his 2,000 some Elephants are small potatoes compared to all the Elephants ever shot.
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I hear ya......my thoughts as well. But if he shoots the 30.06, and it scares the crap outta him, need a backup plan. He does shoot the 6.5x55 well, so that is another better otion as well. Lord knows the .303 will do it, has done it. I have one of those as an option as well. The Swede with 140 Barnes TSX!
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moosemike,
The .243 is illegal in some African countries for leopard, but not in others. A lot of JKH's hunting was done before there were "caliber" laws in many of the several countries he hunted.
Plus, some PH's are quite willing to allow clients to use a smaller-bore rifle IF the client has proven to be a good shot, or if the client has proven not to shoot well with larger rifles. I known of a woman who killed both Cape buffalo and white rhino with a 7x57 in the 1990's, in a country where the 7x57 was illegal for such animals. But she couldn't handle a .375, the smallest legal caliber. The PH let her use the 7x57, and both animals died due to 7mm injection.
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Thanks for the clarification. I had thought that the caliber restrictions were at least as old as the .243 Win but apparently they aren't.
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I wanted to read more about JKH. I found this LINK Apparently he just died.
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If you want to read more about JKH, the best source is his own book, HUNTING THE DANGEROUS GAME OF AFRICA (Sycamore Island Books, 1998). It is pricey, though worth it. I got mine new for the list price of $95, but there weren't many printed and used copies are going for $200 or more.
It's a large-format book with almost 500 pages, essentially a history of JKH's hunting life in Africa, both before he became a PH and afterward. Included are hunts with Jack O'Connor, John Wootters and other notables. It's very well-written, with lots of interesting photos. (Though one blithering idiot who reviewed it on-line panned the book, apparently because JKH didn't guide past 1980 and all the information in the book was thus "old.")
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Was hoping to offer some help from a source I often go to, but the single US source says $475 There is one in UK for just over $200.
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