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Good to know. Those are two powders I haven't used in my .338 Fed.
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Thx himmelrr. 2550 is what I was figuring for a 210 Partition load in the 338Fed. That's enough for me. Go Navy from an X F-14D RIO.
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Ok, guy's, I build the 338 Redneck. It is designed for a specific purpose. Originally to kill large game. Eastern Black bear, elk, wild boar, etc. It is a 300 WSM necked up to 338. I use Douglas Premium XX air gauged barrel's with a recessed target crown. Head spaced to .002. RCBS has custom made my dies and Klymer Mfg. made my finish reamer. So far they are all over the world in large plains game hunts. I do the loads for most of my customers specific needs. Accuracy at 100 yrds. with 200 gr. Nosler BTBT, sub 1/2" groups with 1 in 10 twist. Muzzle velocity 3100 Ft Per Sec. Equal to a Lapua in 200 Gr. Contact Bill Plumlee @ pro_gun  embarqmail.com for more details. I hope this clear' up some questions. Good Hunting, Bill
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Bill-you're running a 338/300 WSM with 200's @ 3100? How long of tube?
And welcome to the Fire?
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I considered the 338 WSM but knew the donor action would have to be reworked to get the WSM case to properly fit and feed.
I had doubts with the RCM case too. Once I got a box of 338 RCM brass and made a dummy all doubts were gone. Feeds very well from a SA Ruger M77 tang safety.
I have posted this before..the 338 RCM I built has a 22" barrel. Mag box lengthened to 3.1". OAL approx 3.050". 225 accubonds with 61 grs of RL-17 yields 2750 fps. Really liking the 7 lb package.
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Hmm, my sample of one (338 WSM) is on a M70 WSM no mods or reworking at all and it fits and feeds like a dream? Maybe I just got lucky?
A light small 33 is a heck of a nice rig either way.
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I guess it does not count cause its not a 338WSM but my 300WSM feeds fast enough and is reliable to make two shots at a running deer.
why not a 358 RCM?
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As I mentioned earlier, I'm using a Douglas XX Premium barrel. I forgot to mention it is 26" with a target crown. The load is accurate and hot,but the recoil is no problem at least not to any of my customers or me. The Barnes bullets are not as fast, more in the 2950 range as are the 210 partition, sameo sameo.
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what powders are you using Bill?
reason I ask is it's tough to find someone else who's running one. I've had mine for about 7 years or so I'd guess, fun lil rig.
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It could surely be done (a "better" 358 Win?) But I'd prefer the 35 on a full-length case (the 375 necked down = 358 Nukalpiaq, a different 35 Newton.)
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Hmm, my sample of one (338 WSM) is on a M70 WSM no mods or reworking at all and it fits and feeds like a dream? Maybe I just got lucky?
If you got lucky then so did I. Never a problem with a couple of three I built.
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You hunting elk this year Bob?
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The 338 REDNECK is a 325 wsm necked up to 338 wsm., But here's the kicker . 200 gr. Hornady SST 3277 fps. and 225 Hornady SST 2980 fps. This has been my focus since I started building these rifles ten years ago. Lower recoil, less powder and impressive ballistics in a manageable rifle frame. I prefer the Remington WSM to rebarrel
for this round, But I have rebarreled many different WSM chambered rifles, for a variety of customers and reasons.
Early Remingtons required bolt face work to accept the WSM over the RSAUM dimentions, But it worked . The new WSM Rem. are by far better. OAL, is right and the bolt face is factory. This combination of change has made the 338 REDNECKtm a formidable choice when choosing a large game rifle, with power and tested accuracy comparable to a 338 Lapua. Check it for yourself.
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The 338 REDNECK is a 325 wsm necked up to 338 wsm., But here's the kicker . 200 gr. Hornady SST 3277 fps. and 225 Hornady SST 2980 fps. This has been my focus since I started building these rifles ten years ago. Lower recoil, less powder and impressive ballistics in a manageable rifle frame. I prefer the Remington WSM to rebarrel
for this round, But I have rebarreled many different WSM chambered rifles, for a variety of customers and reasons.
Early Remingtons required bolt face work to accept the WSM over the RSAUM dimentions, But it worked . The new WSM Rem. are by far better. OAL, is right and the bolt face is factory. This combination of change has made the 338 REDNECKtm a formidable choice when choosing a large game rifle, with power and tested accuracy comparable to a 338 Lapua. Check it for yourself.
That's a touch difficult for me to believe on those speeds.
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Gunhog,
I'd be a little more than interested in how you are getting a 225 grain .338" bullet to 2980 fps. Let alone how you are pushing a bullet of only 25 grains lighter in weight at nearly 300 fps faster.
What's your load data..?
What are your strain gauges saying.?
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If I remember correctly, Winchester was asked why they developed the 325WSM instead of a 338 and their answer was that the numbers just wouldn't work.I didn't understand this and still don't. I've always thought that they would of been better ahead.
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Gunhog,
I'd be a little more than interested in how you are getting a 225 grain .338" bullet to 2980 fps. Let alone how you are pushing a bullet of only 25 grains lighter in weight at nearly 300 fps faster.
What's your load data..?
What are your strain gauges saying.?
I can get a WinMag to those speeds but I'll need a cheater bar to open the bolt and the primer will hit the dirt.
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Tacomic,
I have a perspective about this, the 338WSM. It might not fully reach the 338 Winchester numbers, which is fine in my book, it wouldn't have to.
The 338 Winchester isn't a failure, and it doesn't reach the 340 Weatherby numbers. In the same light, the 340 Weatherby magnum isn't a failure and it doesn't quite get there with the 338 RUM, but it's not a failure either.
I dare say that the 338 WSM would come within 100-150 fps of the 338 Winchester magnum with bullets up to 225 grains, and as you and I know, 100-150 fps in the field just doesn't matter either way.
Even now, with the 325 WSM already out there, Winchester could sell a pile of 338-WSM's... me thinks.
Bloodworks,
I agree. I also wonder if Gunhog isn't posting anymore because he he may have been injured, or worse. Let's hope not.
I don't know who else here has worked with the 338-WSM, other than Dober and Bob338. I think they both could offer some real world numbers that too would be safe.
The WSM case has enough capacity to perform without having to push it.
There are a few of us running the 358-WSM here at the 'fire. Loading to insane pressures just isn't needed.
I am VERY content pushing various 225 grain bullets to 2950 fps. and 250 grain bullets to 2800 fps.
I know of two powders that will do that in my rifle without beating up the brass, cratering primers, causing sticky bolt life, or stretching the case head beyond acceptable dimensions.
I seriously doubt that those velocities can be safely had from that WSM case with those bullet weights by reducing the bore diameter from 358 to 338. Let alone reach the numbers that Gunhog is advertizing.
I'd still like to see what his strain gauges have to reveal.
YMMV
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I am VERY content pushing various 225 grain bullets to 2950 fps..... Yup.
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Tacomic,
I have a perspective about this, the 338WSM. It might not fully reach the 338 Winchester numbers, which is fine in my book, it wouldn't have to.
The 338 Winchester isn't a failure, and it doesn't reach the 340 Weatherby numbers. In the same light, the 340 Weatherby magnum isn't a failure and it doesn't quite get there with the 338 RUM, but it's not a failure either.
I dare say that the 338 WSM would come within 100-150 fps of the 338 Winchester magnum with bullets up to 225 grains, and as you and I know, 100-150 fps in the field just doesn't matter either way.
Even now, with the 325 WSM already out there, Winchester could sell a pile of 338-WSM's... me thinks.
Bloodworks,
I agree. I also wonder if Gunhog isn't posting anymore because he he may have been injured, or worse. Let's hope not.
I don't know who else here has worked with the 338-WSM, other than Dober and Bob338. I think they both could offer some real world numbers that too would be safe.
The WSM case has enough capacity to perform without having to push it.
There are a few of us running the 358-WSM here at the 'fire. Loading to insane pressures just isn't needed.
I am VERY content pushing various 225 grain bullets to 2950 fps. and 250 grain bullets to 2800 fps.
I know of two powders that will do that in my rifle without beating up the brass, cratering primers, causing sticky bolt life, or stretching the case head beyond acceptable dimensions.
I seriously doubt that those velocities can be safely had from that WSM case with those bullet weights by reducing the bore diameter from 358 to 338. Let alone reach the numbers that Gunhog is advertizing.
I'd still like to see what his strain gauges have to reveal.
YMMV
Scott The wildcatters in Indiana have a cartridge called the .358 Express which is a WSSM case opened up to .358 to meet the caliber and case length restrictions for deer hunting. It fits into Bolt, single shot and AR platforms which some of the DOW employees are rumored to use for their own deer hunting. Also made up under a coupel of additional names as it is not SAAMI registered. The good news is that is is still legal to hunt yotes with a .460 Weatherby or your favourite .375 H&H as a light rifle. John
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