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Proposed road rules for farmers anger some

Tractors lumbering down country roads are as common as deer in rural Montana, but the federal government wants to place new driving regulations on farmers and ranchers.

"It's a huge deal for us," said John Youngberg of the Montana Farm Bureau. After years of allowing state governments to waive commercial driver's license requirements for farmers hauling crops or driving farm equipment on public roads, the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration is poised to do away with the exceptions.

Regulators are suggesting that all wheat shipments be considered interstate, even when farmers making short hauls to local grain elevators aren't crossing state lines. The change would make commercial driver's licenses � and all the log books and medical requirements that go with them � a necessity for farmers. Some might not qualify.

The licenses would also be required of farmers driving farm equipment down public roads. Farmers hauling grain for a neighbor or landlord would be considered commercial drivers hauling for someone else.

Ranchers hauling livestock in trailers as small as 16 feet would also be subject to the new rules.

But before finalizing the proposed changes, FMCSA is accepting public comment. It originally allowed 30 days for public input last May. Then 18 U.S. senators prodded by farm groups asked that the public be given more time. Comments are now being taken until Aug. 1.

In a cautionary letter, Rep. Dennny Rehberg, R-Mont., told FMCSA Administrator Anne Ferro to drop the regulations.

"Under your proposal, tractors, combines and pickup trucks hauling trailers would be regulated as commercial vehicles," Rehberg wrote. "Producers who operate these vehicles would be required to obtain commercial driver's licenses, medical cards and log their hours as if they were long-haul truck drivers."

Traditionally, farmers driving farm machinery have been exempt from commercial driver's licenses, as have farmers hauling wheat, provided they didn't cross state lines and traveled no farther than 150 air miles to the elevator.

"When you haul a commodity 150 miles, it just doesn't make sense to have a commercial driver's license," Youngberg said.

The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration says it wants to make sure federal safety regulations are being carried out uniformly across the nation. According to FMCSA, some states have been asking the administration to clarify rules on grain trucking, farm equipment and trucking for someone else. The reasons behind those questions are numerous.

Dana Peterson, National Association of Wheat Growers executive officer, said farm equipment on public roads has become an issue in urban areas, while the other two trucking issues have been sticking points with FMCSA.

"That's been the interpretation of the agency for several years now," Peterson said of the interstate rule for grain. "But it hasn't been interpreted that way in all the states."

FMCSA argues that because grain will ultimately be shipped out of state, it should be regulated as an interstate product at every transportation step. Treated as a product destined to cross state lines, grain becomes federally regulated under the commerce clause of the U.S. Constitution.

If a farmer's trip to the local elevator is viewed as an intrastate transaction, then public safety becomes the main issue and the state has final say. Officials with the Montana Department of Transportation and Montana Department of Agriculture confirmed last week that they have not responded to federal requests for public comment about the proposed changes.

The argument that grain ultimately leaves the state seems to have Montana in mind. Roughly 80 percent of Montana wheat is shipped to other countries, said Lola Raska, of the Montana Grain Growers Association. However, once farmers unload their trucks at the local elevator and collect payment, their end of the business transaction is over.

In Montana, the conflicts between federal and state handling of farm freight have been minimal. That hasn't been the case in states where commodities cross state lines more often.

In Oregon, farmers along the Columbia River often raise crops on the Washington side of the river as well. Farmers there have similar business arrangements in Idaho, said Shawn Cleave, government affairs specialist with the Oregon Farm Bureau. Crossing the state line has required farmers there to get commercial licenses, or at least that's what the Oregon Farm Bureau has encouraged them to do.

The bigger issue in the federal proposal is whether commercial driver's licenses are required for farmers in crop-sharing agreements involving leased farmland where everyone has a stake in the crop's sale.

Oregon's farmers are getting older. Their average age is 60, just slightly older than Montana's average farmer. As those farmers get older, it becomes more likely that they'll partner with younger farmers to get crops on their land. Commercial driver's licenses are likely to be a must for the younger farmers in the partnership, Cleave said.

Contact Tom Lutey at

tluteybillingsgazette.com or 657-1288

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This is a total outrage and an abuse of federal power. And, it is NOT going to help lower food prices.


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If I drive my riding mower down the street to mow my neighbors lawn for hire , will I need a commercial drivers license ?


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Ag business (corporate farms) is a huge industry, and I'm guessing there are some lobbyists for the corporate farming interest who have gotten what they want. The Obama administration certainly is going to favor corporate lobbyist over those "redneck farmers who cling to their guns and religion," most of whom would probably rather get their shirt pulled into a PTO than have Hussein in office.

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The FMCSA is another bloated bureau that needs it funding slashed bigtime. They are out of [bleep]


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So, what does getting ones commercial driving lic entail and cost?

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What does it cost? How about infinity as in "you can't have one" for some of these farmers.

Just more unconstitutional BS that increases the cost of living, eliminates competition and consolidates (the agricultural) industry.


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Written test, pre trip vehicle inspection test, road test, pre hire drug urinalisis, random drug test, and become subject to never-ending restrictive regulations like having the trucks equipped with electronic on board recorders, if the FMCSA gets their way. Total PIA for farmers who aren't even the slightest threat to public highway safety. Fedzilla


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What are the eligibility requirements to obtain a Montana CDL?
1. You must be 21 years old. (18 years if all commercial driving is done within Montana and if no hazardous materials requiring placarding are transported and if you do not drive double or triple trailer rigs).
2. You must be physically capable (in accordance with the MCSR 49 CFR 391.41 Physical Qualifications for Drivers regulations) of obtaining a valid DOT medical examiner's card (before being issued a CDL permit or taking any CDL skills test).
3. You must otherwise qualify for the license based on your driving record. Any of the following will disqualify you from obtaining a Montana CDL . . .
* If you possess a license from any state other than Montana.
* If you are currently subject to any disqualification of your commercial driving privilege from Montana or any other state.
* If your license is currently suspended, revoked, denied, or cancelled.
* If you have a conviction for operating a commercial motor vehicle while impaired in the 24 months immediately preceding application.
* other technical rules, and further restrictions that pertain only to Montana are covered in detail within the Course.

How do I obtain a Montana CDL?
1. Show your Montana driver license.
2. You must take and pass all Montana examinations that apply to your license class and endorsement requirements.
3. Show proof of social security number.
4. Meet Montana driver record eligibility requirements as determined by the State.
5. Fill out an application including certifications.
6. Pass the required knowledge and vision tests (BEFORE a CDL Temporary Instruction Permit will be issued).
7. Pay the Montana CDL fees.
8. Schedule, take, and pass your Montana CDL skills test.

cost is around $50

granted all this is just Montana's rules, other states prolly vary and im not sure if the feds are gonna require you be 21 since they are classifying it all under interstate commerce


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Plus take a physical exam every two years.


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And lest I forget - the cost of this is not only born by the regulated, but the Gov't has to pay people to administer these rules.

The Gov't will spend and/or impose costs of around $6 million per "life saved" when they attempt to justify regulations. Do the math on that knowing that the average American earns less than $50,000 per year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/17/business/economy/17regulation.html?pagewanted=all

And we wonder why this country is financially fuxored! mad


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But yet a 90-year old man can walk into an RV dealership and buy a 40-foot Class A motor home with air brakes and drive out the same day, with no special license.

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Hussein & Co. trying to kill off even more jobs, and the last vestiges of independence in America.

The Teamsters, of course, are LOVING this idea.




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Originally Posted by burner
But yet a 90-year old man can walk into an RV dealership and buy a 40-foot Class A motor home with air brakes and drive out the same day, with no special license.
...for now..

RE: the Montana info in the OP.. Get enough wheat farmers together and tell the Feds to get stuffed.. What are they gonna do? Try to stop a 400hp tractor with their squad cars? HAH.. By the time that tractor gets done with that car, the remnants will be about the size of a card table..

Gov't is out of control.. Keep it up, gov't, and you'll be dealing with an armed revolution on your hands..

Just keep it up......


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The long range purpose of these types of laws, i.e., that negatively impact local family farming and homesteading, is to eliminate food independence. Communists always attack this element in societies prior to massive purges.

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Originally Posted by VAnimrod
Hussein & Co. trying to kill off even more jobs, and the last vestiges of independence in America.

The Teamsters, of course, are LOVING this idea.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
The long range purpose of these types of laws, i.e., that negatively impact local family farming and homesteading, is to eliminate food independence. Communists always attack this element in societies prior to massive purges.


True - and a good point.. Control the food = you control (fully) the people..



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Absolutely friggin' ridiculous idea. Most farmers are older guys who probably couldn't even pass the physical for a CDL. Then it opens them up to a whole new set of rules to drive under like the drunk driving alcohol limits are halved for a guy with a CDL. You and your wife go out for dinner on friday night and have a couple of beers, you get pulled over coming home while driving your wife's car and blow a .05, you're busted for DUI just because you have a CDL and you're not even a truck driver, you just wanted to be able to haul your grain to market.

I have no doubt the teamsters and huge agricultural conglomerates are behind this, anything they can do to drive the smaller farmers out of business increases their profit margin. They realize they've got the perfect administration in the White House to be able to push this ridiculous crap through.

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I tell you it's time for the States to seriously think about leaving the Union. According to Komrade Les, even Obama realizes it's time to split West from East.


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