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Finally someone that can read.

Ken Howell

I get a kick out of some subjects on "Ask The Gunwriters" and realize this was your puppy to start.My favorite subject is pressure related when all the Guru's with the big names in one way or the other chime in...

You guys never seem to agree but seldom disagree,to a point.You have the old timers and the old ways versus the newer writers and there ideas and experiences.Each one getting his jab with experiences(with respect/No name calling/porno pic's,just the facts and backed up) to back it up,truly unlike the vast majority posting here.

I respect you all, but in some cases my experiences differ as just the normal Joe that has hunted and reloaded all his life.

Is it wrong for me to question one of the "Big Dogs" if I have the experience and data to back up my opinion?

Just asking....

Jayco

With respect, your $0.02 is considerably inflated.

ISO 9001:2008 is the best Quality Management System ever invented. The procedures you comment on are a common misconception of the ISO QMS and are only a very small part.

The ISO Quality Management System consists of 15 elements. Without boring you to death, there is only one reason an ISO QMS fails and that is known to every Lead Auditor whether internal, Customer or 3rd Party auditor and that is Clause 5 - Management Responsibility.

Every non conformance must be recorded and measured against the Quality Objectives set by the company which will include any specifications and requirments for each aspect of the product. This is how yoru measure Continual Improvment, also an ISO requirement that is audited.

In my last role, I walked into a company with 300,000sq ft and up to 500 employees depending on what was going through. They had a full time 6 day a week sorting department completed with full time management, a 3 day permanent backlog for sorting and a cost of quality that was determined at $3,600,000 per year.

When I left there, the Non conformances were reduced by 94% (from 178 per month down to single digits) and the cost of quality reduced to $600,000 PA. Most companies do not take quality serious. The hire the cheapest QA manager they can find and place the role in middle management. The professional will never be hired as his role is to challenge management and the company in "Management Review", also an ISO requirement. I do. I will. I get world record results and the dopes who are running the company despise you for it.

If you speak with ISO Registrars they will tell you that the greatest non conformance in the US is management. They are the crap of the manufacturing world. I believe the people are great and respond to leadership and mentoring very well. I have seen it over and over where a company is doing poorly and is turned around by a good Quality Manager. but... and it is a big but...he has to be allowed to do his job and top management has to support his endeavors or everyone fails.

I will not walk away from a fight. That is my strength and my failing, but either way, my records with ISO Quality Management achievements have never need equalled in my industry.

Marlin can be fixed. If they want it to be fixed. I hope they do. Every Americon ICON is worth saving.

John

Here we go again? You don't have the experience or the data on most subjects.

I can say that based on your posts being proven incorrect more times than not.

You claim to sit back and read this forum for the entertainment value, like you are some fountain of gun and hunting knowledge/experience and have top secret info that no one else can access.

Laffin. You need medicine.

You are a narcissistic, ankle biting whiner who can't understand why others do not seek your advice and do seek the advice of the gun writers here.

It's pretty simple. They know stuff, you...well, not so much.

Give it a rest, you start this stupid debate all the time, especially when you have just been proved wrong, which happens frequently.

JM

'Lil John

Show me your first Elk or any Elk you shot...

Then we,you and I will talk about Elk hunting or anything...

Your all talk without any pictures/charts or facts that I provide for my "opinion" on any given subject.I never get into any conversation I cannot backup or give data/pictures or experiences to prove....

Jayco

Nobody is going to watse time with you troll.

You are sick.

And now you are on ignore.

JohnMoses

You have 12,532 post in two years,since '09....I have only 2,830 since '04..

Who is the internet whore/troll and mouth?

Jayco

I'm surprised you had that many thoughts in 7 years. I know, thoughts and Logcutter seldom collide in the same sentence, but I'm feeling overly magnanimous tonight.

But at 48,901 post in '02, two years earlier than my 2,840 in '04 to present...

One of us likes to talk/bs more than the other...

Facts are facts!!!

Jayco

I asked Ken Howell a question..He can answer me or not..His choice,one way or the other, and I will take note if he answers or not for whatever reason, is fine with me.

And with total respect for his accomplishments.It is ask the gunwriters,isn't it?

Jayco

Having just left a multi-national corporation which mirrors Cerebrus/Freedom Group and is a competitor of theirs in some markets, I too, have personal experience with ISO Certification, however without your level of expertise.

I will agree that the greatest failing of the QMA system is management, particularly American management.

The market I was/am invloved in is the development, manufacture, and deployment of life-safety equipment. The way that ISO certification has been interpreted in my limited observation, is one of causing innovation to slow down to a crawl, flexibility to be non-existant, and quality control to slip.

Out of curiousity, did the company you turned around actually develop new technology or attempt to keep pace with emerging technology or was it a service type company?

Ed

Your a liar...I am not on Ignore as of "#5521763 - 57 minutes 25 seconds ago"...All talk as I figured. Ignore me,please!!!!



Sorry to the rest of you....I am done with this thread.Just pointing out lies with "proof" not just spouting off....

My apologies!!!!

Jayco

Mister, there is nothing good about Marlin closing. NOTHING!

I am really wondering if I should buy the 45-70 or 450 now! I didn't plan on buying one this soon but this thread has me thinking. I have been watching a used one in each caliber and am worried dealers might hike the price up on speculation.

Being on ignore wouldn't matter to a healthy psyche, but I knew you would have to go check and see. I could only hope you would be stupid enough to post about it.

Thanks for proving my point about what a narcissistic attention whore you really are.

Just wanted to give you the chance to make a fool of yourself one last time.

It worked...and now you are on ignore.

Thanks Dummy.

JM

ISO is indeed an excellent system. It requires many things, including making sure people have the necessary skills before being given a task, and that contracts are reviewed before they are accepted to ensure that the company is capable of meeting its commitments. It requires that meaningful measurements of key quality indicators be kept, analyzed, and acted upon. And it requires year over year improvement. It's a very smart way to run an organization. I don't think there is anything in the standard that you can argue is unimportant in organizational success.

Done right, it's wonderful. Done wrong, as it often is, it's a millstone around the neck.

It does have the drawback of requiring managers to manage, be measured, and be accountable. Not all managers do well in that environment.

I was one of the leaders who brought a $1.5 billion company from zero to 9001 certified in 90 days. I think that is kind of a record.

' what the hell does anyone's harvest of an elk have to do with the subject of this thread?

Big Redhead, Please go back and read the posts, including mine. I did not say that they were closing and neither did the original message from Freedom Group. They, and I, said that they were shutting down production. Big difference in that and closing.

You and I are in great agreement that the closing of Marlin would be a terrible thing. I own a number of their rifles and hope that they come back and build some in some calibers I have a fancy for.

Ed

Please don't attribute any ulterior motive to the fact that I'm not going to answer your question. The simple truth is that I'm just not interested in continuing the conversation.

Ken,

That happens a lot with this conversationalist. My guess is that not many people continue to converse with him in what is generally known as "real life" either--which may be why he flits from place to place on the Internet.