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We need to ask Bricktop what he thinks... finally I probably will never own either 6.8 or 300ACC despite the fact that I hate reloading for the 223 for some reason. To everyone else, get a life, when someone posts (a newer member) about their new rifle in some caliber you don't like then "so what" its their money and its already spent!!
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I think that's the main problem I have with the 6.8, I already have a 308 and a 243AI in a bolt gun that is miles ahead of the 6.8 or 6.5G. I do have a few friends with 6WOA's and they are alright but still no 243AI...
I think I could live anywhere in the world with a 308 and a 223 and get by just fine, I'm boring I guess but they work. If I get hooked by something other than those two, it has to do something way special, not be almost or close or even just a tad better...
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The same I have a few bolt guns but I go through phases of boredom. So the blackout has got to be interesting and a lot of fun but not for me, the 6.8 sure its more but not so much more it makes me want to try it.
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there are 2-3 different chambers, some manufacturers have the original chamber others a slower twist and longer throat Interesting that this bothers Jimmy as to the 6.8spc, but not the .223 which has the .223, 5.56 and Wylde chamber. The differences between the 3 6.8spc chambers and the 3 .223 chambers are very similar. In both cases, use of the latter two chambers will fire any ammo developed for any of the three. And I'd still love to know where Jimmy came up with this Lee24esque claim: Besides the 6.8 is slowly dieing out, fewer and fewer rounds are loaded and purchased each year.
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The 6.8 runs a 110 gr boolit at 2750.... That's pretty impressive. What load is that, and how much barrel length? I've noticed most of the commercial 110gr loads are in the 2550-2600 fps range, with a 20" bbl. You are comparing the loads made for the old chambers versus the loads made for the new chambers. That's like comparing a 243 to a 243AI. Are they the same? I have a stock Stag 7 Hunter that shoots the SSA tactical 110 accubonds at 2750 fps. My reloads, not pushed that hard, get 2780 and I haven't even tried the new AA2200 powder that should get me up to 2800 fps in my 20 inch barrel. I have a 223 also along with 270's, 7wsm, 06, 22's, pistols, revolvers, shotguns, airguns, whatever. Conceivably I could hunt everything I hunt with a 223. What fun would that be. A lot of us here have different calibers because that is what we like to do. You want to go turn on the tv every night and only watch I love Lucy? Oh, and Jimmyp. Seems I have been hunting, reloading, and pretty much doing all things gun related since the early 60's when I was old enough to start hunting. I ain't a newbie, nor do i post "internet velocities". Someone wants to talk about their 300 whatever, I'll read about it. But when you say that 2750 equals 2450 with the 2450 having a BC that sucks azz, I gotta call foul.
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...You are comparing the loads made for the old chambers versus the loads made for the new chambers.... I'm not comparing anything. I didn't know the 6.8 was getting 2750 with 110s. That's good performance.
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its odd that the 6.8 guys are such a sensitive and emotional group.
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its odd that the 6.8 guys are truthful,such a sensitive and emotional group whereas I like to make stuff up..
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Bwaahhhahaaaaaa.. it is good to laugh! The disparity is so big that there is no question. 223 Is one of our top sellers Series A is composed of our real top sellers hence we can discount due to long run production efficiencies. There is no machine or material differences in any of our dies just simple costs based on volumewww.redding-reloading.com
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I own three .223 uppers. Why you insist on defending a round that no one has criticized, is beyond me.
Your logical disconnect is the equivalent of stating that because the .308 Win is the most popular short action cartridge, that the 7mm-08 must be heading the way of the dodo bird.
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NO not defending or slamming anything as a matter of fact the SSA 85 grain TSX load looks very interesting. Even in diversity we can find common ground, at the same time while I would not probably buy a blackout it has its niche as well, then if someone wants to hunt with it, more power too them. Now if they come here and say "I lost a deer because it did not do a good job" this in my opinion would be a better topic to jump all over someone's cartridge choice in.
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Just stop making unsubstantiated claims, that's all I have asked of you.
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I wish the 6.8 was more popular, I would like to have one, I am just one of those that like to be able to buy ammunition anywhere I might be.
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that's a really great anology. I loved shooting marbles in the dirt when I was a boy. It is nice, though, to have a big bag of marbles.
We're just boys with our toys!
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Ha too true. On comparing the little 300ACC round to a 6.8SPC its clear that one is designed to be more effective than the 223 at distance and one is designed to be used with a suppressor.
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Thats why JD Jones called it the Whisper!
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Those 220 grain slugs while like lobbing artillery at a distance just have to carry a lot of momentum..
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Ha too true. On comparing the little 300ACC round to a 6.8SPC its clear that one is designed to be more effective than the 223 at distance and one is designed to be used with a suppressor. First you say they are the same, then you say they are different. You sound a lot like one of the current crop of politico's.
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Huh? The 6.8 is not the same as a 270 Winchester. At least that's what my congressman told me to say.
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its hard to say, in my friends gunshop they sell 100's of the 223 rifles of all makes and have a single 6.8 upper on the rack that has been there for a while. It may be growing but at what rate and what percentage of total sales? Not much is my observation, there is a small vocal minority but once you get past launching a 22 from a 14 inch barrel into 16 or 18 inch barrel lengths the need for the 6.8 kind of fades away (ask the Eskimo's they kill everything with the 223). Some people like to pour cold water all over another man's choice in firearms or calibers and treat said purchases with disdain. In my opinion there is just not that much difference in the 3 we are talking about and anyone that says there is has some type of hangup over one or the other of the cartridges. Guess you have a short memory. Typical post from someone who doesn't know jack about the 6.8.
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