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Only a matter of time before the fake bolt handle pic arrives I fixed it.
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Idiots frequently criticise the Remington extractor. The M-16 and Sako extractor conversions are very dangerous. No good gunsmith will do one. I think the factory extractor is very safe, but to say no good smiths will install them is a very short sided statement! You need to do your homework before making a statement like that...you should be ashamed! I stand by my well researched statement. Idiot you are just for saying what you did. If it is so dangerous as an idiot like you say than why do so many well respected smithes do the conversions. Or are you the true troll that everyone accurately acuses you of being.
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Idiots frequently criticise the Remington extractor. The M-16 and Sako extractor conversions are very dangerous. No good gunsmith will do one. I think the factory extractor is very safe, but to say no good smiths will install them is a very short sided statement! You need to do your homework before making a statement like that...you should be ashamed! I stand by my well researched statement. You can stand by your statement, but your to lazy to prove it...or maybe you cant prove anything....I'm guessing the latter!
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A sako extractor on a RH Remington is in the RH raceway. One of our infrequent members had one come down the RH raceway and out the loading port. He was lucky being a RH shooter in that it only blistered his face with powder residue. He was wearing shooting glasses. The sako extractor went through a sheet metal trim on his door on his rear porch. His girlfriend is left handed and shoots a lot. It may have blinded her or lodged in her brain. This ain't a BS story. I'm not gonna preach on it. Do as you wish.
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I take it this was a case rupture that you're referring to ?
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If they do the Sako conversion that removes them from the good gunsmiths list. It's very dangerous.
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A sako extractor on a RH Remington is in the RH raceway. One of our infrequent members had one come down the RH raceway and out the loading port. He was lucky being a RH shooter in that it only blistered his face with powder residue. He was wearing shooting glasses. The sako extractor went through a sheet metal trim on his door on his rear porch. His girlfriend is left handed and shoots a lot. It may have blinded her or lodged in her brain. This ain't a BS story. I'm not gonna preach on it. Do as you wish.
Butch This same thing has happened many times to others.
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You can do better than that. Funny though
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Only problem I have had with a Remington extractor was with
a M722 in 222, wasnt a problem all the time and it was a pretty
accurate rifle so I lived with it.
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I just finished reading my "Rifle" magazine and although most or all of the writers touted the effectiveness of the Mauser controlled round feeding (CRF) and extractor, I THINK Phil Shoemaker was the only one who specifically criticized rifles without a Mauser type extractor (Remington 700 in .17 Rem and or push feed Model 70-pgs 87 and 88). John Haviland, on the other hand, went out of his way to relate that the only rifle he'd had jam while hunting game (pg 61) was a Mauser. I think they both told it the way they saw it and we can take whatever lesson we want from their and our experiences.
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The academics always pooh-pooh personal experiences like this as "anecdotal." Whatever their opinions doesn't change matters for those of us who have actually experienced quality failures in Remington products. I did.
In my case, I had a custom 375 H&H LH on a 700 action fail in a DG situation in Zambia. The bolt seized after the first shot on a cape buffalo. Thankfully, he took off in a different direction. I hammered the bolt open with the hilt of my Randall. The extractor held and later shots functioned properly, but I totally lost confidence in it as a DG rifle.
Yes, you could say that the high heat might have swelled the chamber, or that the custom barrel was a bit too tight, but I was using factory ammo. We tracked that buff for more than 12 hours over two days before losing its tracks in a herd. Thorn bushes, over 100 degree heat, walking forever, tsetse flies, yes it was a great experience, but one I do not plan to repeat. As soon as I got back I had a Model 70 controlled feed extractor and ejector installed.
I do not disagree that 700s tend to be accurate, but for DG use, I would never again use one.
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do you think the M700 extractor/ejector caused that? you would have had to pound M70 open too, given a similar situation.
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I just finished reading my "Rifle" magazine and although most or all of the writers touted the effectiveness of the Mauser controlled round feeding (CRF) and extractor, I THINK Phil Shoemaker was the only one who specifically criticized rifles without a Mauser type extractor (Remington 700 in .17 Rem and or push feed Model 70-pgs 87 and 88). John Haviland, on the other hand, went out of his way to relate that the only rifle he'd had jam while hunting game (pg 61) was a Mauser. I think they both told it the way they saw it and we can take whatever lesson we want from their and our experiences. You'll probably never hear that story repeated here though.
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A Mauser can "jam" if the round jumps out of the feed ramp before the bolt has captured the round. Unless the extractor has been specifically modified to jump the cartridge rim it's a no go.
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I've seen more CRFs fail to extract than I have Remington 700. In fact I've never seen a Remington extractor fail.
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Anything can jam  .....it's a percentage game.  I agree with Shoemaker..... since I can only carry one of the damn things at a time,it'll be a CRF. Mauser or M70.....the rest be hanged  I like the noise they make... 
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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But of course you agree with Shoemaker......his preference mirrors yours.
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Yup! 
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I like the noise they make... Bob, How true, there's something about that click - clack that just sounds cool.
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Prwlr: "Snick/snick".....
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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A sako extractor on a RH Remington is in the RH raceway. One of our infrequent members had one come down the RH raceway and out the loading port. He was lucky being a RH shooter in that it only blistered his face with powder residue. He was wearing shooting glasses. The sako extractor went through a sheet metal trim on his door on his rear porch. His girlfriend is left handed and shoots a lot. It may have blinded her or lodged in her brain. This ain't a BS story. I'm not gonna preach on it. Do as you wish.
Butch Butch I'm not going to argue the point, I realize they aren't perfect,and I prefer to use a rem extractor, but there are alot of people runnin them with no issues, and some people shouldn't be allowed to reload either and more time than not the person reloading was pushing the limits when something bad happened!
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