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I've owned 2 700s. Still have one. The extractor broke on it (6mm). Mark Penrod had done the action/barrel work. These were starting loads and the empty fell out of the chamber when I pulled the bolt back and elevated the muzzle. Mark replaced the extractor.
It does happen. We've been over this before and I've shared this story before. The funny part is all the 700 fans who say this never happens never have a good response.
I'm also a 700 fan, but this is a coyote rifle. If it fails on a coyote, oh well. On big game hunts I use either a customized FN or 70.
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My new 700's extractor has never worked from the beginning. I called Rem service twice and am still waiting (3 weeks now) for the new extractor they are sending. I am sure the new one will work fine but I wonder what blind, 125 YO [bleep] firearms companies hire for quality control. 4 of my last 5 purchases have had issues: Rem 870 Express (bad chamber), Rem 700 (extractor), Marlin 1894 (canted front sight), Savage 220F (failure to fire - firing pin extrusion). My SC Model 70 is a gem!
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There you have it! We have a concensus - Everyone has different experiences and opinions 
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I have and have used many Remingtons. Have had Sako's, Winchester and other push feed rifles (bolt) Really have never had an issue with any of them. I also have a few Mauser 98 and the moderen updates. Never have an issue with either. Looking at the design and possible issues, I am surprised that the Remington extractor works as well as it does. If I had to pick a go to rifle it would be a Mauser 98. One with a stuck shell ripped the rim off the brass. Got the shell out and it was still working fine. Not sure the Remington extractor is as long lived. Bottom line take care of the rifle it will take care of you.
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Like I said, it ain't gonna end here with people agreeing and it didn't when it was brought up many many times in the past.
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If there was a glaring inadequacy with the Remington extractor, I�d think after 40+ years, they would have picked up on that by now. It works, works well. The only time you�re likely to have problems with it is with heavy use, and poor maintenance. I�ve noticed that the 700 extractor is rather sharp, and it will shave off itty-bitt bits of brass with use. If you shoot a lot, and don�t clean your bolt head, and under the extractor, and have a dirty chamber; you can legitimately run into some issues.
So, at best, the Remington extractor doesn�t make for a great choice for a bolt action battle rifle; but it was never intended to be that. With reasonable to poor maintenance, you should never have problems. With horrible to no maintenance, then you can expect problems.
We certainly hear of problems with the 700 for PH�s. Again, I tend to think that a PH�s gun will get very heavy use and very little maintenance. As for the bolt handle issue, if it�s going to keep you up at night, a tack weld on two sides would make that problem permanently a non-issue.
I�m not sure I�d choose one if I were a PH, but there are those who have and have had no issues at all (Seyfried comes to mind); but of course, we only hear of those who have. I wonder how many issues there are with other types of bolt guns that we never hear about?
One thing I WOULDN�T want in a dangerous game rifle is a uber-tight chamber on a custom barrel. In fact, I�d want my chamber just a smidge oversized; that system worked very well for the Brits on their military rifles, so I think I�d tend to emulate their success. As a dangerous game rifle, I always thought it would be interesting to build up a DGR on a late model Ross in .416 Rigby; always liked the Ross.
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If there was a glaring inadequacy with the Remington extractor, I�d think after 40+ years, they would have picked up on that by now. It works, works well. The only time you�re likely to have problems with it is with heavy use, and poor maintenance. I�ve noticed that the 700 extractor is rather sharp, and it will shave off itty-bitt bits of brass with use. If you shoot a lot, and don�t clean your bolt head, and under the extractor, and have a dirty chamber; you can legitimately run into some issues.
So, at best, the Remington extractor doesn�t make for a great choice for a bolt action battle rifle; but it was never intended to be that. With reasonable to poor maintenance, you should never have problems. With horrible to no maintenance, then you can expect problems.
We certainly hear of problems with the 700 for PH�s. Again, I tend to think that a PH�s gun will get very heavy use and very little maintenance. As for the bolt handle issue, if it�s going to keep you up at night, a tack weld on two sides would make that problem permanently a non-issue.
I�m not sure I�d choose one if I were a PH, but there are those who have and have had no issues at all (Seyfried comes to mind); but of course, we only hear of those who have. I wonder how many issues there are with other types of bolt guns that we never hear about?
One thing I WOULDN�T want in a dangerous game rifle is a uber-tight chamber on a custom barrel. In fact, I�d want my chamber just a smidge oversized; that system worked very well for the Brits on their military rifles, so I think I�d tend to emulate their success. As a dangerous game rifle, I always thought it would be interesting to build up a DGR on a late model Ross in .416 Rigby; always liked the Ross.
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Kevin, here is the link, all rifles are mentioned by the PHs with the 700 at the bottom of same: PH RESULTS
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In the early days of the internet, on a USENET bulletin board(remember those?) Gail McMillan posted of a test he either observed are carried out where by a steel rod machined to mimic a case head on both ends was fasten to a Pre 64 style model 70 action on one end and a model 700 on the other. One of the action was rigidly mounted to a beam and the other mounted on a carriage of sorts that was hooked to a hydraulic cylinder. The cylinder was activated and the force actually stretched the rod before an extractor failed. Ultimately the model 70 extractor gave way before the model 700. I could be a little off on this story slightly as its been years since I read it, but the crux of it is correct.
FWIW My dad did an immense amount of African hunting in multiple countries during the mid 80's-mid90's. I could give you his total head of game shot on those trips, but would be called a liar, so I wont. He carried two heavy rifles. One Rem 700 458 and one Rem 700 375. I believe both had Brown or H&S stocks and that was it. The were so worn from use that neither has any finish on the barrel and when I asked him if he had one ever goof up he said never. He also said that anyone that didn't think the .458 was a good stopper was out of their mind, but that's best left for a different post.
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B: I recall that test although was unaware it showed up on the Internet....it is a good deal older than that I believe.
I remember not being too surprised at the results,but also remember thinking that I had never seen a Rem 700 extractor break....those very few times I had seen a problem, the extractor had torn through the case rim.
Now I have seen PF M70's and Savage 110 extractors break...they are pretty similar in the way they work.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Bob, I seem to remember the test had something to do with an Army contract for sniper rifles during the Vietnam war, but I could be off base.
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B: Could be....can't recall the context,but do recall that test.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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BTW, I have some Rem 700's, but am a Win model 70 guy at heart. The one thing I detest about the 700 is the ejector. It simply doesn't work as well as a model 70 or Mauser IMO and I have had them fail after being fouled with brass shavings.
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Jim Carmichel talks of seeing this test done, 700 vs. 98. The 98 was the first to give way. The only issue he had was if the rod had been bronze, instead of steel, the 700 would have been the first to rip through the rim. Either way, he allowed the 700 extractor was plenty strong. Him personally never having an issue with one.
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I wonder if they had pulled the bolts apart by holding them at the bolt handles which would have given way first? The Remington extractor, the Mauser (or M70 extractor) or the Remington bolt handle...?
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if there was no barrels in the actions, the bolt handles would be the 'stop' to keep the bolts from getting pulled out of the actions.
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Just what does "A piss poor dangerous rifle" mean?
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Just what does "A piss poor dangerous rifle" mean? See the link I posted. Synonymous with 700s
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pretty much every time i set foot out of the truck, i'm on griz turf, and i travel alone on foot for miles in griz infested backcountry with whatever rifle is handy that day. some days it's a M700 and i don't sweat it. my biggest blackie, a 450 pounder fell to a push feed Winchester Ranger in .243 at about 10 feet.
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Of course, Winchester post-64 rifles of both push and controlled feed also lose their bolt handles from time to time as well. Is no one concerned about that?
The only poor feeding rifle which I've had was a controlled feed 223. It was lucky to get the cartridge all the way to the chamber, on its good days. Obviously, it wasn't tuned correctly, but I've never had a problem with a Remington.
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