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Try hard as you can to lay hands on a Kel-Tec PMR-30 .22 WMR pistol. Good size, good sights, light weight and comes with 2-30 round magazines. Are these reliable weapons?
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A Serpa is okay for a Glock or a Beretta 92 but avoid a Serpa 1911 holster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAxLX6OzEThe Safariland ALS holster is vastly superior in every way to the Serpa. It is a LOT easier to draw from with the support hand. I've seen some scary looking stuff go on watching support hand draws from a Serpa.
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Try hard as you can to lay hands on a Kel-Tec PMR-30 .22 WMR pistol. Good size, good sights, light weight and comes with 2-30 round magazines. Are these reliable weapons? I was supposed to shoot one a few weeks ago, but it broke and had to be sent back to the factory before I could try it out. As soon as it gets back and I've shot it, I'll be able to form an opinion on reliability.... (Oh, and nothing personal, but it would be nice if shooters everywhere could get into the habit of not using the word "weapon" unless referring to scud missiles, cannons, or tanks. The words "handgun", "pistol", "revolver", "rifle", "long arm", and "firearm", all work as well and are far less inflammatory and play less into the prejudices of anti-gunners then that very aggressive word so beloved of TV commentators, "weapon".)
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9mm makes a fine trail gun, a 380 is a shortened version, I prefer the 9mm but thats me. I have carried a 9mm for many years and felt fine with it. Took it with me when deer hunting. Shot placement is key witha any firearm, the 9mm with the correct load will penetrate like crazy.
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Try hard as you can to lay hands on a Kel-Tec PMR-30 .22 WMR pistol. Good size, good sights, light weight and comes with 2-30 round magazines. Are these reliable weapons? I was supposed to shoot one a few weeks ago, but it broke and had to be sent back to the factory before I could try it out. As soon as it gets back and I've shot it, I'll be able to form an opinion on reliability.... (Oh, and nothing personal, but it would be nice if shooters everywhere could get into the habit of not using the word "weapon" unless referring to scud missiles, cannons, or tanks. The words "handgun", "pistol", "revolver", "rifle", "long arm", and "firearm", all work as well and are far less inflammatory and play less into the prejudices of anti-gunners then that very aggressive word so beloved of TV commentators, "weapon".) The word weapon can apply to those arms used in sport too, not just combat. It's a broader term than you seem to believe, and I don't give a rat's ass what the word neurotically evokes in the minds of liberals. " Hoplophobia: A mental disturbance characterized by irrational aversion to weapons." - Colonel Jeff Cooper
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When I used my 4 inch Python to defend my son and me against an attacking Pit Bull/Charpei cross, it was absolutely a WEAPON. The 45ACP that rids on my hip every day is not a hunting or target shooting arm, it is a weapon.
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While bears....in very unusual and unique circumstances.....can be real threat, mostly a wodds walking handgun is NOT a defensive weapon. While cougars are often mentioned, I'd venture to say that ever person who was "truely" threatened by then each year could fit in a very small closet.
To me, a woods gun is basically a small game gun....with the ability (if needed) to take a passing hog. Any gun which can take a hog is perfectly acceptable against "human" threats as well.
For that use, the 9mm (and slightly less so, the .380) would be perfectly good. I often carry a SAA in .32-20 when I walk the woods. I'd "prefer" a .45 ACP or .45 Colt, but don't feel "unarmed" with the smaller gun. The current trend towards fearing "lions and tigers and bears" when outside the livingroom is way overplayed. Also, if you "really" fear human preditors when walking about.....you probably should reconsider where you are walking!
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 Well yeah,but "weapon" covers just about everything from an axe to a nuke. I like "GUN" MY way of getting even wid my old Drill Sergeant As for my gun?? If I am carrying a rifle, I just carry a .22 revolver,eithe a 4" Diamondback or my OLD Smith K-22. If I am packing a pistol alone, Either a Colt Trooper MkIII or a Smith mod 58. Sometimes my G20.
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Well yeah,but "weapon" covers just about everything from an axe to a nuke. I like "GUN" A gun is a cannon.
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Well, mine is at least.....
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Seems about right for your purposes, but I think you're better off with a .38 Special for two reasons, 1) superior ballistics (except, perhaps, for trajectory flatness at distance), and 2) universal availability of ammo in multiple loads.
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Try hard as you can to lay hands on a Kel-Tec PMR-30 .22 WMR pistol. Good size, good sights, light weight and comes with 2-30 round magazines. Are these reliable weapons? I was supposed to shoot one a few weeks ago, but it broke and had to be sent back to the factory before I could try it out. As soon as it gets back and I've shot it, I'll be able to form an opinion on reliability.... (Oh, and nothing personal, but it would be nice if shooters everywhere could get into the habit of not using the word "weapon" unless referring to scud missiles, cannons, or tanks. The words "handgun", "pistol", "revolver", "rifle", "long arm", and "firearm", all work as well and are far less inflammatory and play less into the prejudices of anti-gunners then that very aggressive word so beloved of TV commentators, "weapon".) The word weapon can apply to those arms used in sport too, not just combat. It's a broader term than you seem to believe, and I don't give a rat's ass what the word neurotically evokes in the minds of liberals. " Hoplophobia: A mental disturbance characterized by irrational aversion to weapons." - Colonel Jeff Cooper Actually, you probably should give a rat's ass as to what you say and how it affects the public debate on the contentious issue of private ownership of firearms in the United States, unless you don't care if you loose that debate with it's all to obvious consequences. "Weapon" is, indeed, a very broad word encompassing as it does every thing from a broken wine bottle to an atomic bomb. Unfortunately, it is almost exclusively used by the anti-gun lobby to indicate or imply that a civilian firearm is an offensive or destructive combat implement-- something best allowed to the military and police, but to be kept out of the hands of the citizenry at all costs. This is why the biased anti-gun community constantly uses the word "weapon" to instill hoplophobia into the general population-- Here are two sentences that both convey the same information: 1) A rifle is an excellent weapon for killing deer. 2) A rifle is an excellent firearm for harvesting deer. One sentence equates weapons with killing, the other suggests firearms are an implement for gathering in a source of food. Which sentence is the most likely to be distasteful to the average person who has little or no interest in hunting or firearms? All I'm saying is that the average shooter needs to choose his words with as much care as he'd use in choosing a handgun for home defense, being mindful of the unintended consequences of the use of either in today's society.
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Actually, you probably should give a rat's ass as to what you say and how it affects the public debate on the contentious issue of private ownership of firearms in the United States, unless you don't care if you loose that debate with it's all to obvious consequences.
"Weapon" is, indeed, a very broad word encompassing as it does every thing from a broken wine bottle to an atomic bomb. Unfortunately, it is almost exclusively used by the anti-gun lobby to indicate or imply that a civilian firearm is an offensive or destructive combat implement-- something best allowed to the military and police, but to be kept out of the hands of the citizenry at all costs. This is why the biased anti-gun community constantly uses the word "weapon" to instill hoplophobia into the general population--
Here are two sentences that both convey the same information:
1) A rifle is an excellent weapon for killing deer.
2) A rifle is an excellent firearm for harvesting deer.
One sentence equates weapons with killing, the other suggests firearms are an implement for gathering in a source of food. Which sentence is the most likely to be distasteful to the average person who has little or no interest in hunting or firearms?
All I'm saying is that the average shooter needs to choose his words with as much care as he'd use in choosing a handgun for home defense, being mindful of the unintended consequences of the use of either in today's society. All that reminds me way too much of politically correct speech codes, from which I instinctively recoil.
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I'm not going to modify or dummy down my vernacular to appease the anti's.
If you want to, that's your business.
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Going back and re-reading your original post, I'd tend to agree with The Real Hawkeye; a 4-inch .38 would probably by your best choice. Personally I'd opt for a S&W Model 13 simply because it offers a choice of .38 or .357 ammo. If the fixed sights are a problem then I'd consider a S&W Mod 19; again a revolver that handles both .38s and .357s. If you don't mind the extra weight (N-Frame Smiths weigh over 2 lbs.) you might want to consider a 4-inch S&W model 22 in .45 ACP; I packed one of these as a trail gun for years.
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Actually, you probably should give a rat's ass as to what you say and how it affects the public debate on the contentious issue of private ownership of firearms in the United States, unless you don't care if you loose that debate with it's all to obvious consequences.
"Weapon" is, indeed, a very broad word encompassing as it does every thing from a broken wine bottle to an atomic bomb. Unfortunately, it is almost exclusively used by the anti-gun lobby to indicate or imply that a civilian firearm is an offensive or destructive combat implement-- something best allowed to the military and police, but to be kept out of the hands of the citizenry at all costs. This is why the biased anti-gun community constantly uses the word "weapon" to instill hoplophobia into the general population--
Here are two sentences that both convey the same information:
1) A rifle is an excellent weapon for killing deer.
2) A rifle is an excellent firearm for harvesting deer.
One sentence equates weapons with killing, the other suggests firearms are an implement for gathering in a source of food. Which sentence is the most likely to be distasteful to the average person who has little or no interest in hunting or firearms?
All I'm saying is that the average shooter needs to choose his words with as much care as he'd use in choosing a handgun for home defense, being mindful of the unintended consequences of the use of either in today's society. All that reminds me way too much of politically correct speech codes, from which I instinctively recoil. Hawkeye, it's not about being politically correct. It's about being politically savvy.
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Hawkeye, it's not about being politically correct. It's about being politically savvy. Sorry, I don't agree. Seems like a form of political correctness to me.
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I'm not going to modify or dummy down my vernacular to appease the anti's. Carefully choosing your words doesn't appease the "anti" crowd, but it does immediately take you out of the pool of stereotyped gun owners that the anti-gun crowd loves to portray as ignorant, gum chewing, mouth breathers. Far from appeasing them, carefully choosing your words slaps them across the face with the iron glove of reality. If you want to, that's your business. Well, when I was editing G&A Magazine it was my business to present shooting as a wholesome, family oriented, all-American sport, and I went to great lengths to see to it that nothing appeared in the magazine that could be used by anyone to bring the vast panorama of shooting into disrepute. There was nothing in the magazine that appeased the anti-gun crowd; far from it. They hated us. They hated us not only because of our fiercely pro-Second Amendment stance, but because there was nothing in the magazine that could be quoted on radio, or shown on television, that played into their hands and advanced their anti-gun agenda. All I'm saying is that we know the buzz words the gun haters constantly use to portray shooting and shooters as "dangerous" or "evil", and that shooters should think twice before using these words. Using words like "weapon" and "killing" when other words will more than suffice merely gives the gun haters more ammunition to shoot down our Second Amendment rights.
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