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The Savage is the only one that will use all the BP subs plus smokeless.

All the rest will shoot BP and all the subs. Lots of choices for powder and bullets.

You can't shoot the Savage with smokeless powder during ML season in some states. Like here in Colorado. You can still use the Savage during ML season if you use BP and subs. You can also use a ML during rifle seasons with no restrictions.

btw I am grown up. I'm 68 and have been hunting since I was 8 years old. No 800 yd kills, but i've done ok otherwise.

Welcome to the Campfire Old Hunter!

Thanks.

I'm not going to play your BS games Georgei-Porgei! I'm just going to submit to the likes of your bragging. You have got to be the biggest baddest hunter of all time, in fact dare I say you are even larger then Ted Nugent or that of Jim Shockley. Here, here, the king has spoken and wants to flash his egotistical outcry over the nation! All bow to his Majesty, the Turd!......Grow up!


Anyway, thanks Old Hunter. I was just looking at the T/C ENCORE PRO HUNTER 3964. http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/firearmDetails.php?ID=3964 It looks like it's pricy, but it does come with a 50% kick reduction stock, thumbhole, speed breach, fluted,....ect from what I can tell.

The T/C OMEGA 8993 looks good as well, but do I need all the other "stuff"?

And what about the CVA? I'm going to go over to their page and download the catalog.

All the TC guns will serve you well. I think they're overpriced, but good guns.

The CVA has a bad rep with some guys. They had a problem with weak barrels on an older model. They use Bergara barrels now and don't have a problem anymore. Good straight shooters. The Accura V2 is a good gun with an adjustable trigger.

I've owned a TC Omega, CVA Accura V2, Optima, and some Knights. All good guns. Pick the features and price that suit you.

I've gone to traditional muzzleloaders now. A more limited range, but they suit me better. More of a challenge. More fun for me.

TFF Was you're only way out

In the CVA looks like there is the Optima PR2018SM/.50 at only $379.95

or

The CVA Accura-V2 PR3116SM/.50 at a larger $549.95


I don't like the fact that the Durasight rings are not stainless? However the Accura is accuracy guaranteed. But was does "accuracy guaranteed" mean?

I'm gunna start calling you honey cause you sound like my wife!....Always b!tchin!

The Accura and Optima both have Bergara barrels. The Accura barrel has been polished out. It also has the adjustable trigger, but the Optima trigger is still good.

Both of mine were MOA shooters with a scope. I like a light trigger, so I liked the Accura better.

Your quote still cracks me up.

Nice Elk George!

From your home state of Utah Rustin...

The 800 yd shot is hard to take. You should have known you'd get flak over it. Let it go.

I'm sure there are plenty more guys he calls honey,after all he is a meat inspector

That is a nice cat I must say!

Anyway I'm starting to feel like a true Utahan, you girls must be my polygamist wives!......LMFAO!!!!!!


Like I said, I really don't care what people believe.

Ok Rustin, Here is my opinion. I've done some extensive research lately on ML's and the CVA Apex is the way I'd go. Seem's everyone that purchased this new ML has raived on the accuracy & quality CVA done with it.

Mike Belmm(custom TC Encore & Omega 'smith) even claims the Apex is the best ML available today.

http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/

Really, thanks!

I wonder if I can put a muzzle break on one?

OH, Did you find the omega easy to clean, and how did it compare to the CVA Accura in ease of cleaning?

But they are made in Spain

Compared to a traditional ML. The Omega was easy to clean. Compared to the Accura. The Accura was only slightly easier because the BP could be removed by hand, and seemed to stay cleaner. Both are easy to clean though. I wouldn't use that to determine which gun to buy. The Accura was more accurate than the Omega, but that only applies to the two guns I owned.

2011 - 2012 Muzzleloaders

In general, break-actions are a horrible design for a rifle. Maybe that's the reason break-actions win nothing at Camp Perry or anywhere else? One piece stocks are the defacto standard in rifles, for all the obvious reasons.

But, "good enough" is good enough. The Encore is the most-copied frontstuffer made . . . the Omega has always been a solid choice.

We are talking about hunting Randy. A kill zone is much more forgiving that a paper target.