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how much does remington pay you to push their products swampy?

accidents happen all the time, i mean look at how you came into life

That is a nice setup I must say. I really like the look of the and functionality of them verses the T/C. I really like the break meaning there is some really nice solid metal behind the breach. I am very partial to the thumbhole stocks however. Now I know the ACCURA V2 PR3116SM/.50 at $550. Then I put on a scope and I can only see the $$$ signs rise.....LOL

I do like the options of having exchangable barrels however of the Apex CR4012S/.50.

Now on the T/C Encore in the Magnum section they show gun # 3967 which is a great looking Stainless Steal/Harwoods/Thumbhole in 50 Cal and can take 150 grains.
http://eastcoastgunsales.com/admin/_ImageUploads/Product%20Images/30302.jpg I just saw it for $590 shipped.

But I'm sittin back looking at great looking guns and they keep going up in price.....LOL......Which is ok, I'm just frugal. At the same time I have gone the cheap routes before and once or twice I made out, but the rest of the time I lost.

Which brings up a new question, can I buy ML's on line or has the Fed's put a stop to it, and where is a good place?

4473 form for the Apex or Encore. Optima/Omega not needed. Best price I've found on ML's is Natchez shooting supply. There web-site is difficult to get around, but they carry/stock all brands. Just call them.

try www.rrarms.com for Optima/ Accura v2 or www.budsgunshop.com for the Apex.

Rustin,

I bought three CVA rifles a couple years ago. Two inlines, I don't remember the model names, and a youth sidelock. They were for my two kids and myself. During the first shooting session there were ignition problems with all three rifles. I could get them to shoot, but they were by no means what I would call reliable to hunt with. After a frustrating afternoon with anxious, fidgity kids who wanted to shoot, all three rifles were returned to Bass Pro Shop. My Omega has NEVER failed to fire, even after a long rainy days in the woods. Bottom line, in my opinion, is that you get what you pay for.

Before you CVA fans, and I know there are many, start in telling me what I did wrong, I've been shooting muzzleloaders for 40+ years. I know how they work. In my opinion, based on my personal experience with them, CVA is an inferior product. I've read all the debates about barrels blowing out and improperly heat treated steels. Where there's a lot of smoke, there's probably a fire somewhere close by. Why take a chance with your eyesight, or possibly your life?

Invest in a good quality, AMERICAN MADE rifle, and you won't be disappointed. Keep an eye on Gunbroker or the other auction sites. There are some excellent buys on used T/C and Knight rifles out there, and they can be sent by mail directly to your door. Good luck!

That's why I paid little more and went Apex.

It's just as dangerous.....

Sure would like to hear more details on what models they were, and primers, powder, bullets you used.

I'm not sure about CVA barrel strength anymore, but i've never heard of ignition problems except with BH 209, and that's easily fixed. The Omega is a good gun, but i'm curious why the CVA's didn't fire.

I think the point of buying a used muzzleloader is a valid one. You can get great deals on pre owned muzzleloaders and they can come right to your house.


ddj

Well I always like to buy American first and foremost even if I have to pay more, steel is better IMHO and anything I can do to put another American to work then that's what I try to do. I do like the look and functionality of the T/C for my taste, but I like the removable breach and gun design of CVA. Why can't a manufacture just make what I want and place it in my lap?......:D


I'm going to go looking in the pawn shops now the ML hunts are basically over and see if they actually have one that used I can at least pick up and see how it feels, not to mention look at the craftsmanship. I used to do quite a bit of metal working when I was a kid so maybe that might help my observations. I called Cabela's down here just for a chance and they have just a few just like everyone else, they are going to wait for any new models before they buy for retail. I don't blame them, you don't want to load up on last years models then dump them because everyone what�s the new model.

Regardless, here in Utah we have to put in for the hunt in January (which my location is a guarantee) and I will do that. Even if I don't find what I'm looking for I'll use one of my dads traditional cap ignition and ball. Here I put all that money and time into my 7mm and now it's just going to stay in the safe. That�s ok though.

Problem is I have 1 boy who is ready to hunt this coming year as well and I will have to get him one too. I only want a decent cheap model that will work and will probably buy it used. He is only 100 lbs and about 5' 2" so what would you guys suggest for him. Remember he's most likely going to trash it.....LOL

So now we are up to 2 guns, ug.......LOL......Maybe the topic of a different thread on that one when we get closer.

im picky about my guns as well. I love to keep the cherry and when i start seeing scratches or dust build up, it drives me crazy.

The Optima line from CVA though is by far my most favorite. Their Scout rifle looks a lot like the Optima so i got one in .243 compact. That little .243 is one awesome gun.

Scout


Optima


This one now strictly is my Colorado gun and set up with open sights due to our rules.

LOL

Ya I'm picky, but I like to look at all the options. Where I am not from the ML community these guns are unknown territory. So far my expectations have changed, price range has changed, and my eyes have sure been opened to a whole new refined sport. I'm really stoked to get out next year and hunker down with a set of horns and attractants.

The thing is, if I'm going to make a purchase I want to look at all the options, and the opinions of those that use and really know them. I'm the guy that sits in a rifle shop for 3 days before I make a purchase just to make SURE I get the right one. I think it's an OCD episode!.....LOL....Always been that way, and it's gotten worse over the years as I gotten screwed. So call it wisdom, or call it insanity, I call it OCD......LOL

Buy him a T/C Impact. It's safe.

+1

Buy a Hawken. You can shoot cannon balls out of it and it won't blow.

The new T/C Bone Collector rifles have the Speedbreech feature. The breechplug can easily be removed without tools.

Or a Renegade.

renegades are cheek slappers

TC's are cheek slappers.

true, even my old tc new englander was a cheek slapper. No where near as bad as the tc hawken i had. holy mother that thing was horrible for smacking you right under the eye socket. I think i fired a total of 2 or 3 shots before i cleaned it and resold it LOL.