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I'll bet Bricktop knows the straight scoop.........more so than you!

Sorry mate,your wrong. I buy scopes from the US all the time - its not illegal.

don't mind Swampy. he doesn't know schitt, and he has to make that fact painfully obvious to everybody.

Not legally....

Yes, it can be done legally. Certain countries are on the list of "Do not export firearms or related items", and back when the restrictions were put in place a few years ago, then PM Jean Chretien opted to not be excluded from the list when given the choice. Canada is on the list for that reason. In order to send a scope from the US to Canada, an export permit must be applied for and obtained from the US dept of Commerce, then an import permit must be obtained from the CDN government. Then the scope can legally be sent from the US to Canada. I'm sure the process is similar for other countries that are also on that list.

Nonsense.

Although not all US businesses will bother with exporting a scope, it takes them just a few weeks to get an export permit.

John

Ah, I see Jordan Smith and I were writing the same thing -- at the same time.

John

If it's illegal you f*%ckwit, perhaps you should advise Leupold they broke the law by returning the 3x I sent in for a service six weeks ago.
It's now back in my hands no paperwork except the note saying what was done to the scope.

FYO, you've just joined ISS in my ignore list...enjoy!!

You dont even need a export permit - not to Australia anyway. Just put it in a box,fill out the customs declaration/dispatch note and send it. Its that easy... and perfectly legal.

Don't bother guys, Swampy is a moron and is determined to share the fact over and over again. Remember - never argue with an idiot, he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

For anyone interested in the facts, US export controls on scopes are well documented, and it is perfectly legal to export to a large number of countries. Here is an earlier post with a summary of the situation regarding shipping to Australia:

If a scope is built to military specification for use by the military it is governed by the U.S. State Department (http://pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/documents/consolidated_itar/2009/Part_121.pdf).

Riflescopes and sighting devices that are not manufactured to military specifications qualify as "commercial items" and are governed by the U.S. Department of Commerce under the Export Administration Regulations (EAR). The Commerce Country Chart located in the Export Administration Regulations, Supplement 1 to Part 738 is a comprehensive list of the countries for which an export license for riflescopes is required. The table shows Australia has no Crime Control (CC1) or Firearms Convention (FC1) controls is here: http://www.access.gpo.gov/bis/ear/pdf/738spir.pdf

The controls document referred to in the EAR(ECCN 0A987) is here: http://www.access.gpo.gov/bis/ear/pdf/ccl0.pdf
The Optical Sights section is on page 7.

In summary, riflescope exports are controlled to certain countries, but Australia has no restrictions so neither an export permit from the US nor an import permit from the Australian side is required.

I've tried to buy from CL a couple of times but Doug won't send a riflescope overseas...

Yep, I found that out too. Different business models for different businesses.. Camerland has chosen to deal within the USA only and that is clearly working for them, but other companies DO want export business.

www.Europtic.com EUROPTIC LINK will send scopes out of the US. They just need a bit of time to get the export permit (if needed for your country).

Great prices without crippling shipping charges, and fantastic service from a real gentleman (Alex Roy).

On Europtic's webpage, just click on Customer Service, then Export Policy -- a lot of text, but do NOT let it bother you. Alex will do all the work for you!

John

thanks, jpb!

myself and several of my friends have had flawless service from Alexeurooptc. usually the item arrives within the week.

You are very welcome.

They are a good company and I hope they make lots of money meeting the needs of shooters outside the USA!

John

This thread is a perfect example of the sad mess America and the world is in. Government has no business regulating in this area, or doing anything to slow down commerce. This world isn't here for Governments to enjoy it is here for you and I to live in.

siskiyous6,

Agreed! These are just riflescopes and not shoulder-launched missiles or something that terrorists would really want.

John

I'm in absolute and total agreement.

A couple of years ago it was possible for individuals in Australia to import barrels from US manufacturers. No problems this end, just one piece of paper authorizing customs to release the barrel to the person importing and that was that.
But then came US export licences etc etc and fees to go with all of that and so that option died a natural death.

They are restrictions for the sake of restrictions, no terrorist has been inconvenienced by them or is likely to be.
The only people they affect are ordinary people trying to enjoy their hobby and sport.

It's called keeping hardware out of terrorist's hands. Since my son is in Iraq, I fully support not exporting anything that can be used by snipers.

It's illegal and should be.

Well I agree with Ron Paul that we don't belong out there policing the world either. Armed citizens on any of those planes could have stopped them from flying into those buildings. I am sick of Big Brother and the Nanny State, and of Empire.