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Question? In the 9-9-9 plan is food and medication taxable?
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Actually,you haven't a clue as to what it says or means. I just did refute it with facts. A married couple in Virginia making a combined 20K a year pay nowhere near 10K in taxes. Don't believe it,you run the numbers,I ain't doing your legwork.
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Again, we're arguing over shifting the burden of taxes rather than supporting less govt to reduce all our taxes.
Politicians are good at getting us to focus on the wrong damn thing. 10000% in agreement.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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It's been common knowledge for just about forever that the "best" tax system is one with a broad base and a low rate. It's the fairest, easiest to administer, most efficient tax system out there. Ask any economist who is honest and not being political, and 99% of them would have to agree.
"Unfortunately", such a system is not necessarily best at picking winners and losers, engineering societal behavior, buying votes, bribing the populace, etc., which is the only real reason we have our current system. It is the creation of politicians - not real economists.
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Dammit,...I was doing good staying out of these stupid threads. I'm too friggin' weak.
We need to start more outdoor/hunting threads.
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Actually,you haven't a clue as to what it says or means. I just did refute it with facts. A married couple in Virginia making a combined 20K a year pay nowhere near 10K in taxes. Don't believe it,you run the numbers,I ain't doing your legwork. Considering that I have read the damned thing, and you haven't, I'd suspect you're bass-ackwards on the first assumption. Gas taxes, property taxes, telephone use taxes, meals taxes, school taxes, local taxes, state taxes.... it all adds up. Run the damned numbers, all of them, and prove their numbers wrong and your assertion right.
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[quote=GeauxLSU]Threads like this are great to expose the socialist underbelly of 'conservatives'. Truly telling.
MacLorry, since math seems to be an issue in this thread, let's start from scratch. You sir have just been elected president.... scratch that.. appointed king! You have a clean slate and unbridled power to inflict your will. What would you do sir, in regards to tax policy, to your subjects that you would then proclaim 'fair' or 'right' or whatever other term you feel adequate to desribe the new found panacea?
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You said that if I gave you an example you would run the numbers for how much more or less tax they would pay under Cain's plan. Well I gave you the retired couple example.
It was your challenge, so where are the numbers you promised? Once we get those we may move on to the "what would you do" topic.
]Hopefully you got your answer. Mythical couple paying zero goes to paying 9% on taxable earnings and 9% on taxable purchases. Ok, so the Ryan plan is what King Lorry with unlimited power would implement? Really? You can do ANYTHING, you are king, and that's what you choose?
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Again, we're arguing over shifting the burden of taxes rather than supporting less govt to reduce all our taxes.
Politicians are good at getting us to focus on the wrong damn thing. 10000% in agreement. Yeah, let's not actually look at Cain's full slate of economic proposals (which calls for a reduction in the size and spending of .gov), let's just say it won't work and continue with the same system. GREAT idea...
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I think the masses will reject it because everyone has to pay an equal amount to do it...when everyone hasn't benefitted equally from the system. I haven't made it all the way through this thread yet and maybe this has been addressed. I heard on the radio, Maybe Glen Beck, that in the 9-9-9 plan there are exemptions for inter-city residents, what ever that is. They did not talk about it other than mentioning it. miles
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Again, we're arguing over shifting the burden of taxes rather than supporting less govt to reduce all our taxes.
Politicians are good at getting us to focus on the wrong damn thing. 10000% in agreement. Yeah, let's not actually look at Cain's full slate of economic proposals (which calls for a reduction in the size and spending of .gov), let's just say it won't work and continue with the same system. GREAT idea... What??? WhoTF said that????
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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"Unfortunately", such a system is not necessarily best at picking winners and losers, engineering societal behavior, buying votes, bribing the populace, etc., which is the only real reason we have our current system. It is the creation of politicians - not real economists. Every now and then in these type threads wading through all the garbage to find a sole soul that gets it makes it worth while. Exactly 100% correct CC.
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Gas taxes, property taxes, telephone use taxes, meals taxes, school taxes, local taxes, state taxes.... it all adds up. Run the damned numbers, all of them, and prove their numbers wrong and your assertion right.
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If you did read it,you'd have simply seen that it is a flawed data analysis to try to take the aberrations of states like Mass,NY,Conn and California and in any way try to stretch it into a national average when over 2/3rds of the states are nowhere near those state taxing abominations.That's one. Next,I've already told you Va married couples pay nothing near that average so why would I even give a schit for someone who attempts to argue that since NY does this,my average in Va is that. It's a numbers game and you easily bought into it.
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Again, we're arguing over shifting the burden of taxes rather than supporting less govt to reduce all our taxes.
Politicians are good at getting us to focus on the wrong damn thing. No, we're not ALL arguing over that. A select few have a problem with an equalization of the current tax system. But to your point 999 is a tax (revenue) only plan which is the point of the thread. However Mr. Cain clearly and consistently advocates a material reduction in government spending.
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Cain also stated the plan is subject to modification so if it turns out 11-11-11 is a better way to establish the burden,I feel most will be just fine with that.
The crux of the problem is the votes needed for repeal.
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Question, would this tax plan mean that if I wanted to buy a house, it would cost me another 9%? What if I wanted to buy a new car and pay cash for it, another 9%? Groceries, another 9%? Utilities, another 9%? Medical, another 9%?
No, I haven't read the plan which is why I am asking here.
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No tax on services.New car?..yes;used car?..no;new house?...good question.
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You are 30% communist. If someone has wealth that they put at risk in a market evironment, they should never be taxed for this. Never. By the same token, under 999, if they lost, there would be no loss carry-forward that they have today. If I buy a farm and sell it ten years later for twice what I paid for it, why in the Sam Hill should I be taxed? Because I created wealth? Graduated income tax and taxes on wealth are communist i origin. Period. No debating this.
Yet ordinary income is taxed at 9% and then again at 9%. So why should Warren Buffett and other wall street fat cats get a lower tax rate under Cain's plan than most other Americans?
. my answer, cause it's fair, they play under the same rules as the rest of us. I disagree with the premise, you've made more you should pay a higher percentage. you're already going to pay more than me cause you have a higher income that's taxed at the same percentage. I know folks on the bottom end of the income scale (right where I started) that love the current system, any tax they pay in they get most of it back and they are all for this gov't program and that gov't program if it benefits them or their friends. you'll never get them to vote for a fiscal conservative, they want gov't programs and they want anyone besides themselves to fund it. I thought one of the things that was supposed to make our country great is that we are all equal under the eyes of the law. How does that work with a progressive tax structure? get everyone with skin in the game, and then our problems are all the same, gov't needs to put down the checkbook. until that happens, expect the class warfare to continue. You must have missed the part where under Cain's plan there's no income tax on capital gains. That means fat cats like Warren Buffett pay at a lower rate than ordinarily workers. Thus your comment that "cause it's fair, they play under the same rules as the rest of us" is incorrect, because under Cain's system they would be at a lower percentage rate.
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What would YOU do, Komrade MacLorry? I told you I would get Paul Ryan's plan passed. I'm sure he knows a lot more about how to fix the economy than anyone posting on 24hr including you. You're goal is not to fix the economy, but to scrap the current tax system. There's no evidence that a flat tax or even a partial flat tax like Cain's plan would get the economy growing and without a growing economy there's no way to fix the debt problem. Looks like you�re willing to vote for hope and change, again.
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No tax on services.New car?..yes;used car?..no;new house?...good question. When you say "used car", is that buying from a private seller or a used car dealership? Appreciate the straightforward answer too isaac.
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