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If you get one of the good New Haven made Classic rifles, then you have a good rifle. Probably just as good as the new FN produced guns. I have 2 of the Classics made in New Haven bought used within the last few years. One shot great from the get go. The other needed some tweaking, but now shoots as good as anything I've ever owned. I've also seem, and owned some of them that were pretty bad, so it is a crap shoot.
Of current produced rifles the new FN Winchesters impress me more than anything I've seen in a long time. I bought one of the EW rifles in 308 and out of the box it shot great. The action feeds as slick and smooth as the Tikka's. Some like a ligher trigger, but mine was just the way I wanted it from the factory.
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I notice getting rid of the union work force didn't bring the price of the product down for the consumer. Just allowed more of the profit to go to upper management and stockholders instead of to the folks who actually do the work and make the products.
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No, instead we get a better built gun for the same price. Seems like a fair trade to me. If not for profit why would a company even exist? Perhaps some grand ruler could provide us all we need..... BTW, BACO/FNH is not publicly traded.
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No arguing the improvement in quality over the US Repeating arms rifles.
It was a good move for the new owners and consumers. The employee run company went bankrupt, so it wasn't like they were just let go by some heartless corporate giant.
They were running the company and it went kaput. FN just bought the rights to produce the rifles and use the Winchester logo from Olin after US Repeating Arms went tits up.
Can't blame them for wanting to start from scratch.
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Makes you wonder what the purpose in putting BACO on a model 70 is? Do they really need to put that crap on a model 70? I am glad the model 70 survived, but being associated with Browning is like putting the name Hyundai on a Cadillac. dude seriously are you crazy, there isn't anything more american in guns than the browning name. how many winchester designs made their way to our military. I can't actually think of one that was widely accepted. browning on the other hand, lets see, the 1911, BAR, various machine gun designs, some still used even today. sounds pretty american to me. IMO if not for browning winchester would not exist as we know it today because the guns that made them famous for the most part were BROWNING designs that were bought from browning himself. it wasn't until winchester refused to pay a royalty rather than a lump sum that browning took his designs to FN. putting browning on the new winchesters was just part of the way they freed themselves from the aweful union debacle in new haven. they had to go out of business for a few years and olin who owns the winchester name had to assign the name to another company. who knows all the legal issues. so instead of USRAC, FN just assigned the name to browning another company in their umbrella. to complain about BACO being on the guns is stupid, I take pride in knowing that union thugs aren't building the guns anymore. and better yet since the unions are not building the guns the money they are not collecting in union dues is not making it back to the democrats and obama. Dude, the question is are you crazy? Browning rifles have gone straight down the toilet. The Japanese Browning A-Hole rifle was and is an over engineered pot metal piece of crap, with more pins and springs and lousy design than anything out there. I have two Belgian Brownings, and Browning rifles have gone straight down hill after they were discontinued. John Browning would be totally ashamed at what has happened to his once great company. I am not refering to military rifles, and I don't care about unions. I am talking purely about the great Winchester model 70 being associated with the sewage that Browning pumps out to the public
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Gosh, I've killed a lot of critters with the sewage Browning produces and never had a problem.
Are you sure? Mine don't seem to smell bad???
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Sounds like this is a debate about globalization. Browning is an international company; much of its manufacturing is in Japan. FN is Belgian. I prefer to buy products made in the US. I don't think we have much control any more over who owns the factory, it's all very fluid these days. It's very strange, isn't it, that the US, with its strong gun culture, ends up handing some of our greatest brands to companies based in places with tight limits on gun ownership, a thin market base, and ridiculous amounts of regulation. I fault management of the US companies. There's really no excuse for it, but here we are. Fortunately, some of the US supplier firms are doing great work and there are new US firms entering the market. +1
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Gosh, I've killed a lot of critters with the sewage Browning produces and never had a problem.
Are you sure? Mine don't seem to smell bad???
Laffin.
Another goober who claims to be able to read the minds of dead folks... Your not Laffin as hard as me. Pretty much everyone here knows that you rank right up there with Swampman700 in the goober category. The A-Bolts are a design abomination. The fact that you can't figure that out, and that it doesn't matter to you, or you just don't know any better, speaks volumes.
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And just to be clear, I bought a blued one and would buy a stainless next time.
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Gosh, I've killed a lot of critters with the sewage Browning produces and never had a problem.
Are you sure? Mine don't seem to smell bad???
Laffin.
Another goober who claims to be able to read the minds of dead folks... Your not Laffin as hard as me. Pretty much everyone here knows that you rank right up there with Swampman700 in the goober category. The A-Bolts are a design abomination. The fact that you can't figure that out, and that it doesn't matter to you, or you just don't know any better, speaks volumes. I've had two A-Bolts, a .308 and a .270. Both were .5 MOA shooters with handloads. I traded them off when I decided to put together a uniform battery around the three position M-70 safety. What exactly makes them a design abomination?
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I'm looking at buying a current manufacture Stainless Featherweight in .30-06.
Are all the new M-70s marked BACO? If not, how are the new South Carolina (FN) rifles stamped?
The new M-70 seems to be developing an excellent reputation for accuracy, so I'd like one from SC. From what I've read on various tests, accuracy is the same hit/miss one received from many NH rifles.. Any reason not to purchase a BACO rifle? Yeah - that stupid-azzed MOA trigger...
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The 3 FN mod 70 that I got are really accurate and they function perfectly.I've look at many rifle and those new mod 70 are right there with the best for built quality.
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And just to be clear, I bought a blued one and would buy a stainless next time.
Got ya. I did the same thing, except I went the extra step and bought an extreme weather. Don't regret that decision at all.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Any reason not to purchase a BACO rifle? Yeah - that stupid-azzed MOA trigger... Lee, I knew you'd say that 
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ULA claims to know what dead folks think and is basically full of more schit than a packed feed lot. He is to be pitied though, not ridiculed. I know I'm not telling folks anything they don't already know about poor ULA, but try not to make fun of him and the fact that his momma and doctor make him wear a helmet for his own protection... God speed ULA. Don't let those evil Brownings get you.
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ULA claims to know what dead folks think and is basically full of more schit than a packed feed lot. He is to be pitied though, not ridiculed. I know I'm not telling folks anything they don't already know about poor ULA, but try not to make fun of him and the fact that his momma and doctor make him wear a helmet for his own protection... God speed ULA. Don't let those evil Brownings get you. Come on dude, that wasn't even funny. Is that the best you got? You are the one who shoots Browning rifles, so that makes you the drooling helmet wearing imbecile. Sad thing is, you don't even know enough about rifles to know why they suck. Look at your post count dude. Sell a couple of your lousy A-Bolts amd buy a life.
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The fact that you exist is humor enough for all. I have a 600 yd range. Come down and stick an dunce hat on top of your helmet. If I knock it off I win. If I center punch you in the chest you win. Fair enough?
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Any reason not to purchase a BACO rifle? Yeah - that stupid-azzed MOA trigger... Lee, I knew you'd say that We all knew he'd say that... 
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Any reason not to purchase a BACO rifle? Yeah - that stupid-azzed MOA trigger... Lee, I knew you'd say that We all knew he'd say that... I think Redneck has a hot key on his keyboard that automatically writes that... saves typing! 
This is a shooting forum, there is no place here for logic.
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