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378Canuck,
You still haven't answered what magnification level you think is necessary. I use fixed-power scopes from 2.5x to 10x--and believe me, 6x, 8x, or 10x isn't the handicap most people believe, even at short range. I've shot running big game as close as 10 yards with a 6x, and I've seen a number of animals killed at 50 yards and under with 8x and 10x scopes.
Are you using variables over 10x?
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I often have to use my rifles rather quickly and I like the scopes mounted low. ( the comb need to be lower as well) That is one reason I like the old standard Weaver rings as they are the lowest when coupled with Leupold steel bases. Another advantage of the Leupold compact scopes for that purpose is that they have a smaller eyepiece diameter so the bolt will clear when they are mounted low.
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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378Canuck,
You still haven't answered what magnification level you think is necessary. I use fixed-power scopes from 2.5x to 10x--and believe me, 6x, 8x, or 10x isn't the handicap most people believe, even at short range. I've shot running big game as close as 10 yards with a 6x, and I've seen a number of animals killed at 50 yards and under with 8x and 10x scopes.
Are you using variables over 10x? My favourite scope is the 3.5 X 15-56mm it handles all hunting situation from long prairie shots to close in low light condition when hunting black bear. The only handicap is the weight but on heavy hitters some extra weight on top seems to hold the muzzle down, I always hunt on 3.5 and never leave on high power this is must, lost a black bear shot many years ago over that. Have muzzle brakes on my larger rifles but remove them when I hunt. POI doesn't change as some would suggest, I've spent many hours shooting at targets with brake on and off. I seldom find myself cranking up past 10x unless I,m trying to count horns. I use my scope as a bino since I find binos get tangled in the brush or are fogged up or many other reasons to not carry the extra weight. I've used a few small binos in the past, but they are living in the forest somewhere after they fell off my belt and another the strap let go. I got tired of buying and losing them.
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378Canuck wrote "I use my scope as a bino since I find binos get tangled in the brush or are fogged up or many other reasons to not carry the extra weight. I've used a few small binos in the past, but they are living in the forest somewhere after they fell off my belt and another the strap let go. I got tired of buying and losing them."
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I often have to use my rifles rather quickly and I like the scopes mounted low. ( the comb need to be lower as well) That is one reason I like the old standard Weaver rings as they are the lowest when coupled with Leupold steel bases. Another advantage of the Leupold compact scopes for that purpose is that they have a smaller eyepiece diameter so the bolt will clear when they are mounted low. Thanks Phil. BTW - How exactly did you maount that piece of picatinny rail to your rifle?
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No one is mentioning fixed power scopes. Would those with experience with both types please take it up? I just received my second Leupold 1.5-5 off the brown truck today, got it remounted on the 505, the first one broke the cams? in the scope. The one that came in today had a new erector assembly installed, hope it holds. Gunner
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I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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jwp475, any recommendation's? Gunner
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I like the S&B 1 1/4X4 S^B or the 1.5X6
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I like the S&B 1 1/4X4 S^B or the 1.5X6
Thanks jwp, I'll check 'em out, if this one starts acting goofy. Gunner
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Thanks Phil.
BTW - How exactly did you maount that piece of picatinny rail to your rifle?
I simply drilled a hole in the forend and used epoxy to glue in a six inch section of picitinny or Weaver rail. I placed a spacer under the barrel to hold it where I wanted it and taped the rail to it until the epoxy dried
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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378Canuck,
Thanks for the info.
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I like Phil's rifles-They were hired to work
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X2 for the posilock Burris Signature Safari. Heavy but tough, inside and out. I believe that the only stouter scope out there is iron sights! I don't believe that they're made anymore. If I see another, I'm buying it.
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I use my scope as a bino since I find binos get tangled in the brush or are fogged up or many other reasons to not carry the extra weight. I've used a few small binos in the past, but they are living in the forest somewhere after they fell off my belt and another the strap let go. I got tired of buying and losing them. 378Canuck a) I'm super glad Canada is a very large country. b) You wear your binos on your belt? Maybe that was why you kept losing them. Perhaps you should try again and use a bino harness? c) You mention earlier that "counting horns" is not a good idea after you've shot it (yes, I understand Canada's limits far too well) as the CO's frown on that behavior... what do you think the CO thinks of you pointing your rifle at an unidentified target, perhaps a human being? I know what I think...
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Thanks Phil.
BTW - How exactly did you maount that piece of picatinny rail to your rifle?
I simply drilled a hole in the forend and used epoxy to glue in a six inch section of picitinny or Weaver rail. I placed a spacer under the barrel to hold it where I wanted it and taped the rail to it until the epoxy dried Mr. Shoemaker, you own some awefully ugly guns, I like them VERY much! Congrats. I may have to 'borrow' the picatinny rail/flashlight idea. Very neat and practical.
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Thanks Phil.
BTW - How exactly did you maount that piece of picatinny rail to your rifle?
I simply drilled a hole in the forend and used epoxy to glue in a six inch section of picitinny or Weaver rail. I placed a spacer under the barrel to hold it where I wanted it and taped the rail to it until the epoxy dried Mr. Shoemaker, you own some awefully ugly guns, I like them VERY much! Congrats. I may have to 'borrow' the picatinny rail/flashlight idea. Very neat and practical. I'm bettin' those rifles have saved a train load of human hide I'm just wondering if Phil is left handed, noticed the little fixed Leupold is turned 90 degrees counter on the stainless rifle. Gunner
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I use my scope as a bino since I find binos get tangled in the brush or are fogged up or many other reasons to not carry the extra weight. I've used a few small binos in the past, but they are living in the forest somewhere after they fell off my belt and another the strap let go. I got tired of buying and losing them. 378Canuck a) I'm super glad Canada is a very large country. b) You wear your binos on your belt? Maybe that was why you kept losing them. Perhaps you should try again and use a bino harness? c) You mention earlier that "counting horns" is not a good idea after you've shot it (yes, I understand Canada's limits far too well) as the CO's frown on that behavior... what do you think the CO thinks of you pointing your rifle at an unidentified target, perhaps a human being? I know what I think... If you can't tell the difference between a 4 legged creature versus one that walks on 2 legs you shouldn't be hunting. Hunters wear orange and even men working in the forest wear some thing bright. I never scope people and if it's so far away that you can't tell the difference- no sense lookin at it.
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If you can't tell the difference between a 4 legged creature versus one that walks on 2 legs you shouldn't be hunting. Hunters wear orange and even men working in the forest wear some thing bright. I never scope people and if it's so far away that you can't tell the difference- no sense lookin at it.
We don't have to wear orange in BC. Can't recall the last time I saw anyone wearing orange in the woods here.
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Well UncleJesse,
On the whole Canadians I've known are brighter than your average American. But the USA does attract smart people to immigrate here for better opportuniy.
But that's a different discussion...
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