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Ordering a barrel for a 300 WSM build and wanting to shoot a 200 or 210 grain bullet. What twist do you think?
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I ordered the 1:10 in a #4 Hart. Using a Howa action,Timey trigger and High Tech Specialties stock. Will be topped with a 5 x 20 x 50mm Trijion. Will be my mountain goat gun in August.
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Any idea on finished weight? Sounds heavy...
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My smith says just over 7 pounds without the scope
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CW says 1-10 but I've found great accuracy, sub moa, with 1-11 in the Sako A7.
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I ordered the 1:10 in a #4 Hart. Using a Howa action,Timey trigger and High Tech Specialties stock. Will be topped with a 5 x 20 x 50mm Trijion. Will be my mountain goat gun in August. What's your reasoning on choosing the 5-20x50 Trijicon for a mountain rifle and what will that rig weigh with a #4 Hart? From what I see, the scope weighs 26.9 oz. DF
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The scope is heavy but I need the higher power for longer shots
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A #4 hart and a 27 oz scope for a mountain hunt? Start getting in shape my friend.
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I ordered the 1:10 in a #4 Hart. Using a Howa action,Timey trigger and High Tech Specialties stock. Will be topped with a 5 x 20 x 50mm Trijion. Will be my mountain goat gun in August. Currious about your smith's projected wt. Hart shows the #4 at 3.5#. I would think a Howa action would be at least 2.5#, which brings the combo wt. to 6#. The stock would have to be just a pound to come in at 7#. Not trying to argue, just wondering. DF
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I just put together two 17cal builds. Rem 7s with #2 Pac-Nors at 22inches with a 1 inch shank. Metal alone is hair over 5lbs. Banser stock fit floated not bedded, no paint and a 1/2inch Pachmyer pad puts it a hair over 6. Hoping for mid to low 7s with a 12 oz scope and talleys. Hart #4s run heavy. My 338-06AI with a #4 Hart in a McM classic is 8lbs no scope rings or trigger. That one will finish at 9.25 with a 3.5-10 Luepold. The MCM classic is only 4-6 ounces heavier than the Banser. High techs are a great stock but finish at 22-24ozs with a 1/2 inch pad. I have had some builds that I hated just becuase they came out too [bleep] heavy. 4.5x14 or even 6.5-20 Luepold and a #2 will chop 2 or more pounds fast from that rig. . Just some input. Should be a hammer, but it aint gona be as light as your smith says.
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I like the VX-3 3.5-10x40. It's light enough and not bulky. With 3.5X, offhand shooting is not that difficult. 10X is pretty good for long range shooting, especially from a mountain rifle. Over 10X, one probably needs A/O and a heavier rifle.
If I was building such a rifle, I'd consider the CDS option.
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Maybe I should go with a #3?
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I have a 24", #2 Brux on a Mark V and it seems about right. That action is pretty heavy compared to a 700 Rem. This rifle was a .257 Wby that I got tired of messing with. It's now a match chambered 7mm Rem Mag and my smith sent a dummy round with 168 Berger, COAL to touch the lands.
For a mountain rifle, I'd probably go #2, depending on what your barrel maker calls a #2. And I'd probably go with a Leupy VX-3 3.5-10x40 CDS. It's compact enough, yet powerful for most long range shots at 10X and for offhand shooting, 3.5X. I think a bigger, more powerful scope deserve a heavier rifle for full effectiveness. 10X on a light rifle is about all one could practically use out in the field.
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I called Hart and changed to a #3 today. They will not turn a #2 in a 30 cal.
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What length are you going with? I like some wt. up front and the #3 will do that. It makes for a steadier hold, IMHO. .30 cal. takes away more metal than the smaller calibers, so a #3 in .30 cal. won't be quite as heavy as a #3 in 6mm, etc.
I would concentrate on saving wt. with the stock, scope and mounts. I like McM stocks and would go light as I could. Good advice available here regarding style and fill. You may want to buy from vendors associated with the Fire.
For a light wt. rifle, a great trigger is a must. I like Jewell, but Shilen and others make great triggers.
Consider the VX-3 3.5-10x40 CDS in one piece Tally rings, a combo hard to beat for what you're doing.
Best to you and have a wonderful holiday.
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I would go with a 1-10 twist for that heavy of a bullet, but my 1-10 also shoots 165 grainers very well. Why will you use such a heavy bullet on a goat?
It sounds like a wonderful rifle and good luck and safety on your goat trip.
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I forgot to mention high tech specialty stocks as used by Bansner are great stocks and they are as light as McMillans but require a lot more labor to finish and install.
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I have a 1:10 on my 300 build. I shoot 125 BT's all the way to 200 grain accu bonds. My barrel is a Bison barrel #5 26". I would use a 1 in 10 for your build.
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