Home Forums Reloading Big Game Rifles Opinion Please Powder Choice 25/06 and 110 Accubond

i cant add to the load info.

but i do have question. why the 110 in the 2506.

i load for the 2506 and have never loaded any bullets over 100grs. but i have loaded both varmit 100grainers and deer 100grainers and then heavy 100grainers the heavys i consider the tougher 100grain bullets.

through shooting exsperince i see know reason to go with anything over 100grs on deer unless the game isnt deer or the barrel in your application is twisted to shoot 100-120gr bullets

theyre seems to be bullet in 100grs for every application.

Evan

I have a favorite projectile, Nosler Accubond, I have had poor performance with 100 grain Ballistic Tip. No exit wound. I have shot 2 animals with the Accubond in a larger caliber in comparison to the Ballistic Tip and am impressed by the toughness of thier new introduction. I figured the added weight and better construction, I will be much happier with the quarter bore. I also like the accuracy I have gotten with the larger bore with the Accubonds and am hoping this will prevail also. I have loaded many rounds to test several powders, my highest hopes lay with the new IMR7828SC.

Shot 4 groups on Thursday night with the 110AB, two with RL22 and two with H4831sc. One of the RL22 groups was bad, but I think it was my fault. The second RL22 group was like .6". Both H4831sc loads were right around .5".

I've got more testing to do...

Sounding good Woodrow, keep me posted, and I`ll do the same.

The best powder i've found bar none for the 25.06 and the 110gr accubond is re22. I tested load after load of imr4350 & 4831 and just couldn't seem to find anything my rifle liked. I had about a half can of re22 in the cabinet and decided to give it a try and i'm glad i did. I shot the best group i've ever shot with my 25.06 and this combination that measured 0.325 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Here's the target.

I'd have to second the vote for IMR 4350. Recommending RL 22 and a 4831 is sound advise, and if you get good groups using them you're probably done. But once you're sighted in and you want to just keep experimenting (like me), you may want to try IMR4350. I had (sadly say again, had) a Ruger #1 in 25-06. I tried 4831 and RL22. They both shot acceptably well. Then I used IMR 4350 - the load was RP cases, Feb 210 primers and 48grs. behind a 115gr Ballistic Tip. I took a shot at 100 yds. and a friend marked it. I took a second shot and he accused me of shooting in the dirt because there was still just one hole. At a cease-fire we checked the target and still saw only one hole with no hint of the slightest keyhole. My friend took his Sharpie pen and made a fine line at each side of the hole and we went back to shoot. My next shot cut the tiniest little curve out of one of those Sharpie lines - basically a 3-shot, 100yd, one whole group - with a witness!

IMR 4350 gives me 1/2" to 3/4" groups in my 30/06 with 165 grain Hornadys, and consistently gives me 3/4" groups (with the best measuring 3/10") with 160gr Partitions in my .270. I recently shot a 4/10" group with 140gr Ballistic Tips out of that .270, but with H4350. It wouldn't surprise me if IMR's version would have done as well. In fact, I'm to the point that I'm going to just start with this powder for everything I reload (where it would be a reasonable choice), get my best group, sight-in, then start experimenting after that. Good luck with your loads!

That group mirrors my results with RL22 and the 100 gr Ballistic Tip, seems like a good place as any to start, great shooting there MyKey. I will be trying things out soon.

I think I'm done testing with RL22; I've got one load that looks pretty good, but I think I can do better...I've shot it twice and it has been .6" and .65". I'm going to move on to H4831sc and see what happens, as previously mentioned, two different loadings of it shot no more than .5". I'll load the previoulsy mentioned RL22 load again just to see, but at this point my guess is that H4831sc will win out.

Alright guys, I finally made it to the range, I was dissapointed at my seating depth choice as I had no screamer groups. Just one standout was IMR7828SC, but I was getting pressure signs. Next best was H4831, and followed by RL22. The RL25 was hands down the fastest powder tested, AA3100 was no slouch either. I am above book max with H4831 and RL22 with no pressure signs, I believe some tweaking on seating depth will result in a great load. I will test H4831, RL22, and RL25, IMR7828SC, once again and adjust charge weights accordingly. The tightest group was pretty dang good with the IMR7828SC.

Can't help with the .25-06 but I have had excellent results with the 115g TSX and 120g Grand Slam, Partition and A-Frame using H4831SC in my .257 Roberts +P loads. Tried H4350 with the 115g TSX and got higher velocity than with H4831SC.

Just picked up some 115g Accubonds and will be trying both powders with them. Have the loads built but haven't been able to shoot them, hoping to change that this weekend.

Went to the range with some H4831SC loads...all loads were sub inch, some for the second time.

Here's where I'm at after testing probably 10 RL22 loads and 4 H4831SC loads (all 3 shot groups):

RL22: I've got one load that I've shot twice at .57" and .62". All the other RL22 loads are 1"+. This load, as well as the others, will shoot shots 2 & 3 closer together than 1 & 2 and the pattern is fairly consistant from load to load...shots 2 & 3 are typically low and to the left of shot #1.

H4831SC: All loads have been sub inch. Two loads have been shot twice now, best single group has been .42" which was followed by .65" or so. Groups with this powder are more uniform, i.e. shots 1-3 are fairly equidistant.

I like that the H4831SC has shown accuracy with varying loads, leads me to think with some tweaking I could really find the sweet spot? But truth be told I'm very new to developing loads, so I'm not sure if I am thinking right in that regard?

I'm really wrestling with where to go from here. Mess with the seating depth and try the H4831SC loads again? Do the same with the RL22 load (it is probably the fastest, but I don't have a chrony)? I've also got some H4350, I could try some loads with that?

Bottom line is I've got some more testing to do...and it is not that I'm not pleased with the groups I'm getting b/c I think they are plenty good enough for most of my hunting, it is more trying to narrow it down. On the other hand, this rifle shot sub .5" groups with the factory ammo I got from the guy I bought it from, so I don't know if I'll really be satisfied until I get under .5" consistantly...though I know that is asking a lot of a factory rifle w/ no extra work (Remington 700 Sendero).

Thoughts on any of this are appreciated as this is only my 2nd season reloading.

Seating depth can be critical, I would load the most accurate powder charge you have tested, and then vary your seating depth with that charge. Don`t change but one thing at a time. Don`t be afraid to get up on the lands as all 25-06`s I have loaded for like the bullet very close or right at the lands. I would test .000 on the lands, -.002 off, -.004 off, -.006 off and such till you have found the sweet spot. My rifle has been tested into the lands as well, such as adding length to the OAL after finding the touch point with Stoney Point tool. This can be done in small increments also to find where the accuracy load is. There will be those who might tell you pressure will raise by doing so, but after 30 years at this I have never witnessed it. You own one of the most accurate factory rifles made. I would be very interested in further testing if I were you also. I owned a 25-06 Sendero myself, and will attest to thier unbelieveable accuracy. Get that seating depth found and you will enjoy that rifle to new heights that you never dreamed. I will say the rifle is quite capable of your goal, and seating depth is the only thing keeping you from it.

Early on I took the seating depth from .020" off to .015" off....015" is where most of the testing has been done (all of the testing with H4831SC). I was thinking about going to .010" off, so I think I will.

Thanks Tim, by the way, where in TN are you? I lived in Cookeville one summer with some college roomates and coach an HS baseball summer team.

I live extreme west TN in Memphis, the Cookville area is one of the finest our state has to offer, you saw some of the best Tennessee has. I also love the Smith County area north of Carthage. I love to turkey hunt, and traveled to mid state often to hunt them before they finally took hold here.

i have a tang safety style ruger m77 .25/06 that loves the 110gr. AB. with a max. load of imr4831 i'm getting 3200fps. i shot an antelope doe 2 weeks ago with it. excellent bullet performance.

My brother tried RL-22 in his Rem 25-06 this past week with the 110g Accubond. Can't remember if teh best load was 53.0g or 54.0g but he shot the best group he as ever shot with this rifle. 3 shot group was in the 0.1s.....strung vertically. He has the factory tupperware stock on this rifle and it is not bedded.......we attribute the vertical string to a non-bedded stock (if you can call a group in the 1s a string!)

Tim,

I've developed a chronic neck problem. Been thinking of replacing my 7 Rem. Mag with a CDL in 25-06.

I can shoot my 7-08 comfortably. What is the recoil like in your 25-06?

If this rifle one of your custom jobs or an off the shelf offering?

GB

It is a custom, I came into it from a bad situation. I helped a man named Bert Madison build it using my smith, the smith only had a tight neck 25/06 reamer but Bert had cleaned up necks before so it didn`t bother him to have the rifle set up this way. Well Mr. Madison became ill with cancer and lost that battle very shortly after the rifle was completed. His son didn`t handload and offered a trade on a factory rifle so I did it. I ended up setting it up for my wife/kids and put a Vias brake and Decelorator pad on the McMillan Mt Rifle stock. My oldest son now shoots one of my 7 Rem Mags when I can talk him into hunting with me and my youngest is 11 yrs old so he has the rifle available to him if he wants. I became back interested when Nosler introduced the Accubond. I had killed 2 deer in my life with the 25/06 one with a 117 grain Sierra at 90 yard broadside shot and didn`t get an exit. Another was with the 100 grain Ballistic Tip and no exit. I am really not a betting guy but I`d almost assure this new offering from Nosler will make me a believer in this caliber. This rifle is built on a LA Remington 700 action, trued with a Holland recoil lug. Hart 1 in 10" twist magnum profile barrel fitted in a McMillan Mt rifle stock. I have never owned a 7/08 but I imagine the recoil is much less. The 110 grain bullet around 3200 fps is a joy to pull the triggger on.

The Law
more on your load????
nosler book shows 52grs max with 115 movin at 3116. thats 52grs of 4831.

im also shooting imr4831. 100gr nos bt kissing the lands. and 52grs of powder ignited by a mag primer. this was my wimmer load and it worked rifles loves the load. loots great on paper as well as game.

Been shooting 54grs of IMR 4831 and 100gr bullets for so long, forgot there actually were other powders and bullets for the 25-06.

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