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Which one do you think is the best rifle, take price out of the equation. I am thinking about buying one or the other for my daughter in .243. She doesn't need a youth model. Please do not suggest another brand, this is what I'll buy. I have a 700 ADL that is incredibly accurate with Core-Lokt. I realize it just might have been luck to get an ADL that is so accurate.


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I think the Weatherby/Howa is the better rifle, but the Remingon is significantly lighter. Short of spending a lot of money, the Howa will be a little better made, probably have a better barrel, and has a better extractor and safety. Greater weight may be a disadvantage or an advantage - depends how much walking she'll be doing. Remington is the best basis for a rifle that you want to customise a little, though there are quite a few options for the Howa now, too.

Personally, i'd get the Howa/Weatherby.


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I would reccomend the vanguard. I have had good luck with them. Never really made friends with remingtons. Just this coal miners opinion.


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Weight is not an issue, the only carrying involved is the walk from the truck to the deer stand. I prefer a heavier fifle for the recoil attenuation. So is the Vanguard made by the people who make Howa?


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Yep. Not quite identical. Vanguard has a nicer stock, different safety, fluted bolt. But it is a Howa 1500, and it shoots like a Howa 1500 - which is to say very well. Over the years there must have been something like half a dozen American brands selling relabelled Howas!

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Under Remington's present ownership I would not buy anything from them. They have ruined Marlin quality as well.

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I plan on picking up an S2 in .240 Weatherby when they become available, so I'll let you know then. It should go well with the Vanguard .223 and Howa 7WSM I already have. I do wish Weatherby would offer the 7 Weatherby in the Vanguard.

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in that scenario, vanguard all the way.

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vanguard gets my vote.

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Are the new vanguards any different in shape than the old vanguards??
Will they fit the same old aftermarket stocks? I have a McMillan and when I can I would love a 257 wby mag or a 240 wby and really wanna put it in this McMillan if I keep it.

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Vanguard 2, or even the original vanguard over Remington. True there are way more gizmos and upgrades for the 700, but out of the box the vanguard is just better.

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Let your kid pick them up and decide. I really doubt one is better than the other. Don't care for Asian rifles myself though. mtmuley

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either will do what you want... i like them both and own them both...


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Either one is fine. I prefer the Vanguard stock trigger. The Vanguard will be heavier, though. I own/have owned both.

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Never owned a Remington 700 but have several model 70,s
also have a new Vanguard S2 in 270 winchester. The Vanguard is
a little lighter than all 3 model 70,s. Not as light as a Ruger
M77 in 270 WSM. But it,s the most accurate of the 5. Also
it has the best factory trigger of the 5. I like the 6 round
magazine. Need all the shells I can get. That extractor throws
shells farther than rest. Recoil is very manageable.

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I own a Vanguard S2 in 257wthby and a Rem 700 in 243. Even taking the calibers out of the equation, if one of them had to go tomorrow it would be the 700. The Vanguard is more accurate, has a better trigger, and overall I feel more confident in my abilities when I'm shooting it.


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As Craig Boddington wrote on the Weatherby Vanguard being just another Howa..Not...

Weatherby Vanguards may use Howa actions, but the rifles are built to Weatherby specs. Chamberings are not the same, barrels are not the same, stocks are not the same

I sure love mine and if I had the bucks,I would buy another one in 338 Win Mag.

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+1 vanguard though my experience has been with older vanguards. In our area sportsmans warehouse had them going for $389 and I think you could spend 2x as much and not get a much better rifle.

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It seems that every time in recent years I have bought a Remington there has been a problem. The last 2 I bought the primers cratered from the firing pin hole being to big in the bolt.I would like to say Remington but I can't. I would buy a Vanguard.


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The primer cratering thing is something to do with a new bolt face design...its not the problem it appears to be...that being said though, we got a letter from Remington ( at the shop I work part-time in..) explaining it because so many people had noticed what you saw...including myself...looks for all the world like a sign of excess pressure, when all it is is a sign of excess remington engineeering.... wink


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