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I've gotten to that point myself.. He's gotta go at the end of this season.. [/quote]

I have had my issues about McCarthy, but come on, get rid of Capers? Get serious. Have Thompson get a couple more big bodies on the d-line and you will see Claymaker tearin it up like the last couple of years. Capers is working with what he has. Be thankful we have Raji, we would be in a world of hurt without him. Lest anyone forget, the Pack is 15-1. As they say in the NFL, I am not seeing any positivity here.

Steve

The Giants inconsistancy had better rear it's ugly head - 'cause what that defense did to Dallas, and Atlanta was of championship caliber.

GO PACK!

I'll grant you that one.. ...and got beat by a team that had NO shot to go to the playoffs unless they bought tix like the rest of us.. Steve - look at the numbers.. Pack has some of the highest yards/game that the opponent racks up.. Their offense has to achieve 40 points or more just to ensure a win..

They're behind on most stats with the exception of TDs, turnovers and a couple others that are only ahead by a tad..

http://www.packers.com/team/statistics.html

They allow way too many yards and big plays by the opponents.. That's why they gotta score, on average, nearly 40 pts/game to ensure a win..

Right now they're at 35/game. And if you remove that miserable KC game, the average is 36.4/game..

I'm sure this upcoming game is gonna be one for the blood-pressure pills ( ) but GB better light up the offense - 'cause the D, unless the players get their act in gear, is going to give up 30+ to NY..

Anyone heard if the body they found in the Fox River is Coach Philbin's son? If true it would be a huge distraction for the O coordinator. Prayers to his family if it is his son.


ddj

Confirmed

Sad no doubt, and yes on a distraction for the entire team.

But McCarthy calls the plays during the game....

Prayers for the Philbin family. I hope the Pack win for one of their own families this weekend.


ddj

It'll have an extra bit of emotion, that's for sure.

This is very sad indeed.

Didn't realize Capers coached the o-line, QB's and handled penalties for McCarthy.



With the age of Clifton - you HAD to draft OT first. Defensively, in the draft the Packers selected Davon House DB, DJ Smith LB, Ricky Elmore DL, Lawrence Guy DT. So lets not paint this like Thompson left the table bare for Dom. He ADDED to the D line after Jenkins denied the Packers a chance to match his offer from the Eagles. It wasn't that TT showed him the door - Jenkins LEFT.

So I don't see that as gutting the D-line.
Pare the secondary? How? Shields, Woodson, Tramon are all still here - just like last year. They added MD Jennings at CB, Lattimore at DB, DJ Smith at LB, and So'oto at LB.

Dom HASN'T been ignored. It's his job to put these guys in the right spots/schemes to work. He hasn't.

Capers has been here 3 years. Year one was that debacle in Arizona where they gave up what 51 points? They were sieves that year, year one so I cut him slack there. Last year was a dominate performance. This year they're right back to being a sieve with the core of the D back and guys added to it.

I'm no math major but if you suck 66% of the time - you suck.

GO PACK GO!

I have a feeling that NY might take this game, just a hunch.

I would not bet on this game. Giants are playing some good football right now. If they play as good as they played with Dallas and Atlanta, the pack is in deep [bleep]. If they let down and spot them 14 points like they did to Dallas the first game, they are toast.

The biggest question on this game is.............which Giants team will show up?

What is the current line?

Awfully tough to bet against the Packers @ Lambeau

If the Giants pass rush shows up, it could get interesting. .02

Exactly!

Are we talking the road warriors of 2007 or the choke kings who blew a 21pt lead against Philly with less than 8 minutes last year?

I love my Giants, and they can beat ANY team out there. They also can choke hardcore like no body else....

Which team shows makes ALL the difference.

Rodgers getting sacked seven times a game was a product of hanging on to the ball too long, evident to all, and acknowledged by Rodgers, himself - so you're quarrel isn't with me.

Oh, the offensive, and special teams penalties didn't halt. Defensive penalties reduced dramatically. Even last year, a good Packer special teams play could be judged only by the abscence of a yellow flag (much better this year). The secondary does draw a lot of flags, and will as long as they continue to play the hands-on coverage they do. I don't like, or agree with it, but when you have a future Hall of Famer (Woodson) who does prefer that technique - well, you live with it.



Who?



Best lineman the Pack had, and I suppose losing Kampman a season earlier was his "choice" as well. Barnett is also proving to be one expensive loss, he was the leader of the defense.

The Packers have chosen to build an offensive juggernaut - it's worked. It also comes at a price.

Try this, on plays where the Packers don't blitz, count. Count 'til the QB is forced to step up, roll out, or throw the ball. Then do the same for the Giants, and the 'Niners, it won't take long to become evident.

Yes, the Packer defense sucks, and would under any defensive coordinater - they don't have the linemen (ends in particular).

Mako - I don't have a quarrel with anyone but I LIVE in Green Bay. I see more and am around more Packers info than most. YOU stated that Capers was the reason things changed.



So Capers took care of all of that? Obviously not as he DOESN'T have anything to do with Rodgers' development.



Prior to the Det game - Special teams have a grand total of 9 penalties. Offense has 45 this year. WAY down. In Capers' first year here they had 118 penalties, 30 on special teams. Offensive and Special Teams penalties have come way down. Statistically odd - 100% of the PI calls on the Packers in Dom's first year came on 3rd and 4th down - keeping opponent drives alive.

Currently - 2011 GB is tied for first in least amount of penalties per game, last year they were 5th, 2009 Capers' first year they were 32nd in the league. The year before- 30th so the first year here, they got WORSE under Capers - so to speak.




Wasn't about who - was about you saying Dom hasn't been given anything this year. His players came at the expense of the offense. That offensive juggernaut - other than Sherrod (IR) and Cobb - the same guys as last year. Dom got guys, guys he had input on their selection.



Kampman made it NO secret that he didn't like the move to a 3-4 and was completely out of position in the 3-4. He got hurt and then traded. Since then he's ended each year hurt with Jacksonville. In the last 2 years he's played in 11 total games - 2 year total of 16 tackles and 4 sacks. Huge loss there....



You've already stated that last year's D was dominate. Considering Nick played all of 4 games last year, I find it hard to connect this years playing to his loss. He played only 25% of the regular season and NOTHING in the post season last year for that dominate defense. So the D was dominate by him not being there but not being there this year somehow makes them worse? Which is it?



Please point to me where the Packers have added all this offensive talent that wasn't there last year at the expense of defensive talent. I'll grant you Cobb/Sherrod but otherwise, no one. Given what they expected to lose (Clifton - the guy protecting the Superbowl MVP, you had to take Sherrod)




On that we agree but defensively they've lost Collins (doesn't play line) and Jenkins from last year. That's basically it. They've added defensive talent and it's not getting done. Hell Woodson had to call out Capers on being creative to get Clay in the game more, rather than just lining him up in the same place and letting him do his thing.

With what was already here, is still here and what he had coming in new - Capers is under achieving. No other way to state it. With this team's play makers on D - Woodson, Tramon, Clay, Raji - there's no excuse to be #31. Other teams are ranked higher with less. That's the yardstick.

Teal, you get the Packer Report? Thanks for setting Mako25 straight.

I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised by the D on Sunday with everyone relatively healthy and Ryan Pickett back with a couple more weeks of practice.

Maybe I'm wrong but the defense seemed a lot more creative last year. Crazy blitz packages and such.

Hope they do some of this in the playoffs.