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A plastic tip will not change the BC of the partition very much because the partition already has a pointed tip. Plastic tips deform in the magazine too, maybe not as much as soft lead, but they do deform.
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At least in 30 cal if you are worried about nose deformation you can buy the 180g Protected Point Partition.
I don't seem to have a problem with it, but the biggest cartridge I have used partitions in so far is a 338 Win. Mag.
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The flattened tips give some guys heartburn... I deliberately save them and shoot them into groups at 300-400 yards. It doesn't matter. Guys make me laugh....gonna second guess Nosler,and "improve" the most successful BG bullet in history with stupid add ons so they have little plastic tips to look at while they mentally masturbate over the "huge differences"....funny stuff. Want tips? Buy an AB or BT.Want bonded? Get a Swift Aframe or S'co II...they are all huffing and puffing to catch up to the record of the Partition on game worldwide.Good luck. + more Thoughts of a plastic tip arrived in my noggin shortly after they (Nosler) began making red, green, and yellow plastic tip bullets back in ???? (I was very troubled by the mashed noses as are some here.) I was too young then to recognize wisdom. I was ripe for the copper infatuation which was developing. Ironically, after the dust has settled following the arrival of many 'new, improved' ideas in bullets design, the boring old Partition still bears the torch as a premium among premium designs.
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The flattened tips give some guys heartburn... I deliberately save them and shoot them into groups at 300-400 yards. It doesn't matter. Guys make me laugh....gonna second guess Nosler,and "improve" the most successful BG bullet in history with stupid add ons so they have little plastic tips to look at while they mentally masturbate over the "huge differences"....funny stuff. Want tips? Buy an AB or BT.Want bonded? Get a Swift Aframe or S'co II...they are all huffing and puffing to catch up to the record of the Partition on game worldwide.Good luck. I have done the same thing, but at 100, and you're right of course. The mashed noses make no difference at all. Plastic tips? I well remember all the hoopla when they changed from screw machine turned jackets to impact extruded! Ted
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Klik: Certain things should not be trifled with....Partitions are one of them. There are plenty of other things out there to satisfy everyone.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
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Klik: Certain things should not be trifled with....Partitions are one of them. There are plenty of other things out there to satisfy everyone. Yup. The Partition is fine just the way it is, IMO.
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Tim: Hard to argue with boots (and animals)on the ground.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Tim: Hard to argue with boots (and animals)on the ground. Bob, Oh yes. And the fact that some of my favorite rifles shoot the NP sub MOA doesn't hurt, either.
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Tim: Hard to argue with boots (and animals)on the ground. I like my partitions just like they are I do shoot the plastic tip stuff but when the shot has to be tough and true I fall back on rule # 1 that is the partition
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I don't understand why it has to be "all or nothing". Why couldn't they introduce a new tipped partition but leave the current production partitions alone?
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I know how well the Partition works and it's great but there is no doubt that tip deformation occurs on lots of rounds just from recoil and being in the belly of a gun. A tip would help that issue greatly.
And while they are at it, I would ask that they BOND the rear core to the jacket. Well, how much MORE would you like to pay for those? They've worked for so many, for so many years, why ADD to their cost when it's not needed. Jerry
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Happily, Nosler ain't Barnes, so don't redesign a winner every few years. It seems to tme that the term "new & improved" often translates to mean "found a way to make it cheaper." I do not believe the partition can be improved upon. Don't believe it needs to be improved. Talk about a design that has withstood the test of time! I like Partitions.
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So I don't have to turn these in?
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It's anybodys guess what nosler will do,they've managed to run off most of their talent since John died.
A tipped partition with a .5 or higher BC in the heavier weights would be great,but it would eat into the sales of accubonds and BT's which capture those that don't want partitions.Nosler isn't going to kill a line to gain some sales in another established line.
A slick tipped high BC partition would be a game changer.
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Would love to know what talent Nosler has run off.
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Happily, Nosler ain't Barnes, so don't redesign a winner every few years.
I do not believe the partition can be improved upon. Don't believe it needs to be improved. Right Fish - when you make it right, it DOES NOT need to be redesigned every few years. Jerry
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The flattened tips give some guys heartburn... I deliberately save them and shoot them into groups at 300-400 yards. It doesn't matter. Guys make me laugh....gonna second guess Nosler,and "improve" the most successful BG bullet in history with stupid add ons so they have little plastic tips to look at while they mentally masturbate over the "huge differences"....funny stuff. Want tips? Buy an AB or BT.Want bonded? Get a Swift Aframe or S'co II...they are all huffing and puffing to catch up to the record of the Partition on game worldwide.Good luck. + more Thoughts of a plastic tip arrived in my noggin shortly after they (Nosler) began making red, green, and yellow plastic tip bullets back in ???? (I was very troubled by the mashed noses as are some here.) I was too young then to recognize wisdom. I was ripe for the copper infatuation which was developing. Ironically, after the dust has settled following the arrival of many 'new, improved' ideas in bullets design, the boring old Partition still bears the torch as a premium among premium designs. No heartburn here. I just don't like the LOOK of mashed in tips, or Redheads! Some do , but I don't, there are other equally as good choices. I think the Accubond will largely displace the Partition. Especially when all the " set in yur ways types/ my pappy always saaze" are out of the picture.
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but then there are the kids of those old farts; some of those kids will never become zealots and loonies (like us here) who will load up what pappy worked for their rifle because its accurate and it works. My youngest son hasn't a clue that there is any more than 2 or 3 types of bullets. When I am gone he will load 125g partitions over I4350 and Nosler will be there to sell them. At least in my opinion GRF
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Ruger280,
Well, since you obviously didn't read the entire thread (which seems to be more normal than not on the Fire) here's a copy of my first post:
"Well, I just read through this thread and can add a little something extra to the post that have already pointed out that Nosler makes AccuBonds, E-Tips and Ballistic Tips for hunters who want plastic in their bullets.
"Additionally, I've been told by my friends at Nosler that when they started expanding (excuse the pun) the bullet line beyond the John Nosler-designed Partitions and Ballistic Tips that John himself told the rest of the people in the company to keep their hands off his Partition!
"Since Nosler is a family-run company, I suspect that admonition alone will keep any plastic from ever defiling the front core of Nosler Partitions."
Comprende?
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