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The only realistic rifle loony solution is to get one of each. Since I am truly loony, I have two of each.
Utah708, both of my .257 Weatherbys (a Vanguard and a NULA) have 24" barrels and get over 3500 fps with 100-grain bullets, whether factory or handloads.
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I agree with JB....my 24" Vanguard gets over 3500 with a 100TSX...like mid 3500's.
71 - 72gr of IMR7828 is the ticket in my Vanguard 257Roy.
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hey randy,
i have a roberts and a weebee. both have their place.
i am getting 3300-3400+ with 80 grain ttsx's in the roberts, using imr4064, and knocking on the door of 3800 from my weebee in a vanguard using 100 grain tsx's and rldr 22.
my roberts has an lr dotted scope, and works great sighted in at 300 yards, with the dots lining up perfectly with the 80 grainers trajectory.
the weebee is sighted in 2.5 inches high at 100, and is practicaly a point and shoot laser. at 500 i use my thick to thin, and it's about 5" low off that.
get the weebee, i know you load, use 7mm rm brass if you want, burn the powder, and be happy.
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Just had a test article in american rifleman magazine. Shooting a 24" vanguard with factory ttsx 80 grain ammo they were cranking something like 3820fps and accurate.
Put those specs on a ballistics program and with a 300 yd zero it won't get more than 2.7" high and will drop about 7" at 400 yds....that is a laser beam.
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You want the hot rod, so get one, get a 7 mm Rem Mag load it with 120 gr NBT's with a full dose of RL 19 and wallah its flatter than the 257 Roy boy. Check out the loads in Nosler #6 for 100grs in the Roy and 120 NBT's for the 7mm Rem. Use the ballistic table in the back and you will see the 7 shoots flatter than the 257 or as flat. Recoil is not bad and groups were great in my 7 check it out yourself the facts are there. Magnum Man ps the facts also spotted the Roy with a 26" bbl vs a 24" on the 7
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I hear you, MagMan, but wouldn't a 120 BT at that speed splash like a rain drop on a blade of grass? I know the 120 BT has a "supernatural" reputation, but there has got to be a limit somewhere.
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...but wouldn't really have gained anything.....except maybe better bragging rights on the internet. ..and range, and the ability to shoot heavier bullets fast. Thomas, you're right, but those are just subsets of "better bragging rights on the internet." No deer or antelope will ever know the difference. Sycamore
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The only realistic rifle loony solution is to get one of each. Since I am truly loony, I have two of each.
Utah708, both of my .257 Weatherbys (a Vanguard and a NULA) have 24" barrels and get over 3500 fps with 100-grain bullets, whether factory or handloads. I'm with JB - get one of each. I guess I've not achieved true loony status yet as I only have 1 .257 - and it simply "electrocuted" the 2 deer I shot with it this past season. Of course with living in Texas, the 25-06 is all but a "must have".
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waterbug,
Isn't the .25-06 the official Texas state cartridge?
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Thinking somebody should be checking on Safariman... this thread is over 20 hours old, and he hasn't weighed in yet...
Hope he's not back in the hospital....
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...get the weebee, i know you load, use 7mm rm brass if you want, burn the powder, and be happy.
I was having consistency problems with a .257 Wby., using formed 7mm Rem Mag brass. I became agrivated with that and subsequently converted the Mark V to 7mm Rem Mag using a #2 Brux with match chamber at 24". Mark (Safariman) ended up with the .257 factory take off bbl. I told him the story and he related that unless I neck turned converted 7mm Rem Mag cases, the neck walls would be too thick, causing inconsistent accuracy. Said he'd been there, done that. His recommendation: use .264 Win Mag brass to form .257 Wby. cases. The neck wall thickness works fine without the need to turn necks. Just thought I'd throw that tidbit of info into the mix, before someone else gives up on the .257 Wby. FWIW, DF
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waterbug,
Isn't the .25-06 the official Texas state cartridge? If it's not, it's awful close.  There are a lot of folks shooting them and generally speaking the ammo is pretty readily found. Even though I have mostly hunted with a 700 in .257 for the last 4 seasons, I find it hard to not keep at least 1 25-06 around.
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I hear you, MagMan, but wouldn't a 120 BT at that speed splash like a rain drop on a blade of grass? I know the 120 BT has a "supernatural" reputation, but there has got to be a limit somewhere.
Big Red I don't know yet,I've only got a sample of 2 so far with that load.1 a mid sized mule deer doe at 38 yds,hit behind the left sh blade dbl lunging and taking a chunk off the rear edge of the right sh blade on the way out. 1" exit hole and destroyed the lungs DRT bangflop never took a step. 2. an older whitetail doe at 95 yds dbl lung shot with about the same placement DRT bangflop not one step.More need to be shot for more conclusive data . I didn't need anyone to tell me not to hit anymore bone than ribs at those speeds but those 120 NBT's sure did the trick right now.Recoil not bad, it was like shooting a 22-250 on steroids. Originally I saw it as a flat shooting round for 150-300 yd shots filling meat tags. I was pretty impressed at the first two results and there will be more in the future. Magnum Man
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If you are taking stock factory rifles and you hand load, consider this:
270 Win
57.5g of R#17
Fed 215
110g Barnes Tipped tripple shock & 110g Sierra
3550 fps out of a 24" barrel
2" groups at 300 yards with a factory sporter barrel with 3.5x10 scope
Neck size the brass after firing with Winchester brass
Factory 257 Weatherby with standard freebore usually shoots the 100's at 3600, 115's at 3300 fps
25/06 with 100's is in the ball park of 3300 fps
" " 115's is in the ball park of 3100 fps
You can wring a little bit more out of the 257 W and 25/06 by hand loading and custom barrels with minimal freebore in both thes cartridges will add 200+ fps.
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I really think the wby is only worth doing in a 26" or longer barrel. not really....my 24 in. Vanguard chronos at 3580 with factory 100s....you can't touch that with a .25-06. If you want velocity, there's no question which you want. But there are no flies on the .25-06 either.
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I really think the wby is only worth doing in a 26" or longer barrel. not really....my 24 in. Vanguard chronos at 3580 with factory 100s....you can't touch that with a .25-06. If you want velocity, there's no question which you want. But there are no flies on the .25-06 either. +1 My 24" Vangard is doing almost exactly the same speed w/ RL22 & 100 gr Etips. I used to have similar issues w/ the shorter tube, but checked out Charlie Sisk's recent thread on the subject.
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for me, if rifles were the ultimate thing in my life, i suppose i'd have to have the biggest/fastest/bestest available...
the 257 Weatherby is one beautiful, fast shooting rifle cartridge...
But i remember the .44 magnum shooters crowing about their "most powerful handguns"...
Now, the .44 magnum is as good a round today as it ever was, and maybe even better...
but if you want the "mostest", you need still more than the .44...
for what i do with a rifle, the 25-06 can not be beaten...
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I went 25-06 AI. Should have just gone Roy and saved a bunch of hassle. I have tons of 7 mag brass that can easily become 257 Roy. I like fast cartridges and the Roy did Ole man Roy great and it would also for me. But then again I'm not finished yet and a 257 Roy might just make it into my locker!
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Just for all of those who like to look at things a little more, ah, scientifically:
According to the 4-to-1 Rule, the .257 Weatherby has about a 6.5% advantage in muzzle velocity over the .25-06, everything else being equal (barrel length, pressure, etc.). This means a 200-250 fps increase in muzzle velocity in bullets from 80-120 grains, depending on the weight of the bullet.
Of course, for the really obsessed, there's the .257 STW, .257 RUM, etc.
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I hear you, MagMan, but wouldn't a 120 BT at that speed splash like a rain drop on a blade of grass? I know the 120 BT has a "supernatural" reputation, but there has got to be a limit somewhere.
Big Red I don't know yet,I've only got a sample of 2 so far with that load.1 a mid sized mule deer doe at 38 yds,hit behind the left sh blade dbl lunging and taking a chunk off the rear edge of the right sh blade on the way out. 1" exit hole and destroyed the lungs DRT bangflop never took a step. 2. an older whitetail doe at 95 yds dbl lung shot with about the same placement DRT bangflop not one step.More need to be shot for more conclusive data . I didn't need anyone to tell me not to hit anymore bone than ribs at those speeds but those 120 NBT's sure did the trick right now.Recoil not bad, it was like shooting a 22-250 on steroids. Originally I saw it as a flat shooting round for 150-300 yd shots filling meat tags. I was pretty impressed at the first two results and there will be more in the future. Magnum Man Can't argue with success! Forge ahead.
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