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Originally Posted by yoop
Anybody that tells you any whitetail deer cartridge is good enough for a bear has never been close to a big bear. 350 pounds plus, dressed of course.

They are big with large dense skeletal structure.

I own an accurate 25-06 Model 70. It is accurate using 100 grain Barnes X and 115 grain Nosler Partitions. I really like the gun. I would never use it bear hunting. If it is all you own, hunting with hounds or over bait one could head/neck shoot with it.

My bear rifle is a Savage Model 99 in the 308 caliber. It is very accurate and offers a quick second or third shot. 165 grain Accubond factory loads. You have to be aware of pass through. That bullet will blow right through a smaller bear. You have to be aware of what is behind your target.

A 270 Winchester with a premium 150 grain bullet is a good starting place to start. 7mm-08 on the short action side.

If you get the chance at a truly large bear you will be glad your 30-30 is at the house.





It's ironic that your post was immediately following a post from a guy who has seen many large bears shot, and is recommending anything over .22LR. He is 100% correct. Bullet placement and performance are far more important than caliber or the size of the powder charge...

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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
You are an instigator! You want me to pull out the pictures of the 8'6" Kodiak bear with the see-through bones? Is that it? You are just looking for trouble!

wink wink wink

Why, yes I am!

I haven't seen those pics in a while and actually would like to see them again. For reference, mostly. To put things in perspective, so to speak.


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Originally Posted by ironbender
Originally Posted by Sitka deer
You are an instigator! You want me to pull out the pictures of the 8'6" Kodiak bear with the see-through bones? Is that it? You are just looking for trouble!

wink wink wink

Why, yes I am!

I haven't seen those pics in a while and actually would like to see them again. For reference, mostly. To put things in perspective, so to speak.


Me TOO. grin


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I used a 30-06 and 180gr NP's on mine.

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A good deceased friend of mine put 5 .22 slugs into a big black bears head before he found the ear hole with the 6th. Point blank. The 6th collapsed the bear, first five showed little effect.

I put a JHP slug into the ribs of a 270 pound dressed bear at point blank range. 41 Remington mag, 210 gr JHP. Never broke a rib, never got inside the rib cage.

I have been around Black Bears way too long to read the BS repeated about how easy they are to kill. There are plenty of unrecovered dead bears that someone shot with a 243, or 257. If you cannot afford a rifle of sufficient size to humanely kill a black bear, head for Walmart and be a greeter until you have the 300 bucks for a new Stevens 200, I will lend you a scope.

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Me three [wants to see "Sitka Deer's" coastal brown bear photos from Kodiak].

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Originally Posted by yoop
A good deceased friend of mine put 5 .22 slugs into a big black bears head before he found the ear hole with the 6th. Point blank. The 6th collapsed the bear, first five showed little effect.

I put a JHP slug into the ribs of a 270 pound dressed bear at point blank range. 41 Remington mag, 210 gr JHP. Never broke a rib, never got inside the rib cage.

I have been around Black Bears way too long to read the BS repeated about how easy they are to kill. There are plenty of unrecovered dead bears that someone shot with a 243, or 257. If you cannot afford a rifle of sufficient size to humanely kill a black bear, head for Walmart and be a greeter until you have the 300 bucks for a new Stevens 200, I will lend you a scope.


Go do a little reading about Nosler Partitions and Barnes TTSX bullets... wink grin

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Originally Posted by olblue
Originally Posted by ironbender
Originally Posted by Sitka deer
You are an instigator! You want me to pull out the pictures of the 8'6" Kodiak bear with the see-through bones? Is that it? You are just looking for trouble!

wink wink wink

Why, yes I am!

I haven't seen those pics in a while and actually would like to see them again. For reference, mostly. To put things in perspective, so to speak.


Me TOO. grin


Didn't you get a disc with all the pictures of YOUR bear?!? wink


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Originally Posted by yoop
A good deceased friend of mine put 5 .22 slugs into a big black bears head before he found the ear hole with the 6th. Point blank. The 6th collapsed the bear, first five showed little effect.

I put a JHP slug into the ribs of a 270 pound dressed bear at point blank range. 41 Remington mag, 210 gr JHP. Never broke a rib, never got inside the rib cage.

I have been around Black Bears way too long to read the BS repeated about how easy they are to kill. There are plenty of unrecovered dead bears that someone shot with a 243, or 257. If you cannot afford a rifle of sufficient size to humanely kill a black bear, head for Walmart and be a greeter until you have the 300 bucks for a new Stevens 200, I will lend you a scope.


Lousy bullets used poorly is not evidence of bear invincibility.

Looking for the photo of the scapula of this bear:
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If I would have hit the scapula, probably would not have recovered the bear.

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Originally Posted by yoop

I put a JHP slug into the ribs of a 270 pound dressed bear at point blank range. 41 Remington mag, 210 gr JHP. Never broke a rib, never got inside the rib cage.

If you want penetration, hollow points ain't your huckleberry. That's rule #2 of the above mantra.


Not going to *make* you use what others do. Use what you like and works for you, and go hunt!


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We also read in the Alaska forum about 8 months ago of a black bear that was "hit hard" with a 165 partition out of a 300 RUM. That bear shrugged it off and kept on going.

bigger is better. wink


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Originally Posted by ironbender
We also read in the Alaska forum about 8 months ago of a black bear that was "hit hard" with a 165 partition out of a 300 RUM. That bear shrugged it off and kept on going.

bigger is better. wink


Hard to believe when a 30-30 with core-lokts kills them deader than a door nail.


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Originally Posted by Mauser_Hunter
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We also read in the Alaska forum about 8 months ago of a black bear that was "hit hard" with a 165 partition out of a 300 RUM. That bear shrugged it off and kept on going.

bigger is better. wink


Hard to believe when a 30-30 with core-lokts kills them deader than a door nail.

'tis hard to believe. Makes one wonder if the "hunter" plain missed.

Then again, maybe our bears are "boolit prufe". smile


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Sitka Deer:

Congratulations on the coastal brown bear. That's a pretty bear.

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That is not one of mine... I was just taking pictures that day... Ol'Blue is in both pictures and he shot the bear.


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Originally Posted by LarryfromBend
I always thought that hunting Black Bear over bait or in thick cover would be a great reason to buy a 35 Whelen.


And that's why I did build a .35 Whelen...except for the bait part, can't do that in Oregon.

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Originally Posted by yoop
Anybody that tells you any whitetail deer cartridge is good enough for a bear has never been close to a big bear. 350 pounds plus, dressed of course.


Oh really? whistle whistle

The simple fact from this neck of the woods is that there are more bears lost from knuckleheads that think they need to "gun-up" to something they're afraid of rather than something they're both used to and comfortable shooting.

IMO, the bullet make all the difference. And, FWIW, one of the largest bears shot here in recent years was by a petite, 15 year-old girl shooting a .243. The BIG bear and huntress obviously missed your memo. grin


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