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I'll tell ya Mark, I'm done with Accubonds. I just talked with my brother last night about some 300 WSM rounds using 200's I loaded for him, his son, and a friend for an AZ elk hunt this past Nov-Dec.
All 3 got their bulls, nice average bulls between 700 and 850 lbs.

On every kill they recovered the 30 cal 200 Accubond. All 3 elk were killed between 75 and 200 yards. All 3 elk were hit in the lungs.
All 3 bullets never made it to the opposite hide. Two of the bullets were still in the lungs of the bulls. They thought that odd as I was pitching them how well the 200's should penetrate.
Yeah, I know, how dead is dead and they killed the elk. Two of the bulls mosied off another 75 yards and laid down then got up when approached to be finished off. The 3rd bull went 40 yards and stood there while they put a couple of more behind the shoulder. He was dead of course and his lungs where filling up. They just didn't want to wait another 5 or 10 minutes before he would fall over.

I've also killed two large mule deer using the 30/200 AB. Both times the bullet never made it out of the animal. Yeah picture performance that makes everyone here at the fire go gagaoooowow!

I just don't like that kind of performance. I like Partition performance on elk. Where it sheds its front for tissue damage and I don't recover the bullet. I want two holes on an animal unless I use a Berger VLD then I know what to expect from that species of bullet.

From now on its Partitions for elk and Ballistic Tips for deer as far as using Nosler bullets.

I don't buy into the thought that the AB is just a tipped Partition. Baloney on that.

I also don't buy into that hooey touting the light for caliber Barnes being the equal of a heavier Partition.

Just my ramblings my Big Sky friend...

Ive loaded 200 grain speer bullets in 30/06 cases with 60 grains of h4831, over a fed 215 primer for a good many years as almost a standard elk load in our hunting group, groups tend to be consistent, accurate and deadly on elk, velocity on my chronograph varies with the rifles obviously but about 2580 fps is close to an average
Ive yet to see a well placed shot using that load not result in a very dead elk
http://www.speer-bullets.com/ballistics/detail.aspx?id=103

I agree.I'd load the Partition.

I like(very much) the 200gr Partition in my 300 RUM-sounds like it is pretty darn good at ought-six speeds,also. Not surprised...

Very good stuff SU, thx.

I've been very much a Nozler brand fella for a long time. The NPT and NBT are pretty much my world. And I totally concur with you about the light Barnes theory as well. Most of the people I see toting this are mainly working with small big game (IE deer/lope/black bruins etc). I've known of more than a few light Barnes staying inside, and yeah I get it that they came from dead animals but I like/want/desire two holes on game and with elk that's where bullets are tested.

And yeah, I'm with you on the VLD concept as well.

Dober

I'd also have no problem using a 168 BT on elk over the AB.

....+1...It is probably more of a curiosity issue than anything else just to see what one`s rifle can do.

Most 21" to 22" barreled `06 rifles from what I`ve read and imo, might be hard pressed getting 2700 fps with a 200 gr bullet. Much more likely from the 24" and 26" tubes.

In the field, what can a 30 cal 200 grainer moving at 2700 fps from the muzzle do, that a 30 cal 200 grainer moving @ 2550-2600 fps cannot?............Nothing.

Says the guy who shoots nothing but whizbang magnums and is proud of it...

Ironic...

.....Yep! Like them whizzy bang mags. But my first rifle at 9 years old was a 30-06.

An `03 Enfield sporterized conversion my dad had converted over.

Had it for quite awhile growing up. Was a nice piece.

Stress? shorten barrel life? what a joke....

You guys should just get 300 Savages and be happy then.

btw, squeeze, I thought you were dead?

A few benefits come with the extra vels, less drift, a little flatter traj. and to help ensure proper bullet expansion should you need to stretch it out a bit while in the field.

Gunner

Is THAT as far as it penetrated ? ?
You MIGHT need a little more velocity.



Sorry, I thot about this for a while. I could not help it.

How are we shortening barrel life by running a 200 Gr. bullet at 2800 FPS ???

You do realize that every time you pull the trigger on a heavy bullet in a 30-06, you shorten your life by the same amount of time the bullet spends in the barrel?

TC

r t l - I agree with you. I don't think it does. Only one possible reason;

higher heat from more powder burned.

I remember the thread quite well, I too think that the gentleman didn't mince too many words about it and put a pretty fine point on it in his commentary about what their pressure testing proved out also.
Great thread Dober and very informative
BD

You were tougher than me and I'm not ashamed to admit it. I couldn't handle the recoil of an '06 until my mid teens.

.......When 9 years old, my dad goes here,,,,,,"Like it or not, its all yours!"

Wasn`t easy at first, but I got use to it ok. 150 gr factory ammo wasn`t too bad for recoil. Didn`t graduate to a 30-06, I instead jumped right into one.........Thanks dad.

Doesn't look like any strain to get 2900 fps out of a 300 Win Mag or the whizzum either with 200 gr NPT. With a 200 yd zero you gain 1.5" at 300 and 3.5" at 400 over the 2700 fps goal you have. In the field I'll bet most can't hold any tighter than that, myself included. Mark you are building an itch in me to try some 200 NPT's in both my 06 and 300's. Hmmm that .481 BC at 2950 would just about match the dots in my 3x9 Leupold with LR Duplex reticle on my 300 win mag hmmm. Good thread. Magnum Man

I posted my 180vs.200 numbers over on the thread I started on the Elk Hunting site. The difference is about 2% which is nothing. The recoil is about 2 ft/lbs more with 200's but that is predictable. Unless like Dober said, a better chance of a pass through or with the "raking" shot.........However if one bullet was noticeably more accurate, then that would change things. the