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I have some 215 Bergers to give a go in the 06 and WSM as well. May find a good yote load...grin

Dober

And what was the velocity on that load?

Assuming a "new" unknown powder workup on a 270, what is your "target" chrono velocity that correlates to "max pressure"?

MM

Yowsers.....

Not to hijack Dober, but here's a question; one of the most popular handloads in post-war reloading-dom is the 270W with 58gr of H4831 under a 150gr bullet. I've chrono'ed at least a thousand rounds over the past 30 years, ran 50-60 rounds through an Oheler Ballistics Lab and stayed under pressure for those rifles.

Yet, today's (peizo tested?) load manuals are now limiting H4831 to the 56gr range. I'm sticking with 58gr of H4831 for my loads--am I gonna blow my head off?

Casey

Kinda why I asked JB what his parametr for a 270 are..........I am very interested to see where he may have been in the past vs now.

Casey, I am where you are with it; my velocities for the 130's are typically around 3075-3100 & with the 150's around 2950, both with Partitions from a 22" barrel.

Sorry to HJ Dober's thread.

MM

I'm going to try that load, likely with the 200 NAB though.

Hmmmm. I've got a .30-06, 200 gr Nosler Partitions, H4831sc all on hand....

Of course there's also a .300 WSM in the safe, so perhaps no reason to push my ol '06 so hard.

If there's one thing that legions of handloaders have shown it's that going over SAAMI max by a "little" ain't no thang.

If you have to go over SAAMI to get what you want.....

You own the wrong caliber....

Jayco

The 300 WSM really shines with 200's... 2,850 is just right. Think RL17.

Agree - the WSM has been shooting real well with 200 gr Noslers & 210 gr Bergers over H4350, right about 2815 fps or so.

Didn't think much of the .300 WSM when it was introduced, but made a screamin' deal on a Model 70 a few years ago and dang, it's turned out to be quite a rifle.

Brad, we've both killed with the 338 win mag. I used 250 NP's in it to kill elk.

As it looks or appears now, an 06 that shoots a 200 NP at 2,700 or 2,750 would in my mind would out penetrate and out fly a 338 win mag shooting a 250 NP. Something to be said or thought about there.

(I've also killed 6 elk using the 200 NP out of a 300 win mag. Complete penetration though shoulders with it at distances between 400 and 650 yards. One bullet killing two elk at 600+. So I know the bullet works.)

Put the 200/2,750 NP in a 6 lb package and my ballistic mind goes bonkers with elk hunting possibilities.

As PS said:

I was using the 220 Partitions as I did a test using damp magazines and the 220 Partitions outpenetrated everything else by quite a bit. Next in line were the 200 Swifts and 180 TSX ( which gave identical penetration), followed by the 240 Woodleighs PP and finally the 220 Woodleigh RN.

The 220 Partitions equalled 300 gr Partitions from a 375 H&H and beat 400 gr DGX Hornady softs from a 416.

Jayco

I am not at all surprised by this.

I'm not either but Elk are not coastal Brown Bear and don't need the penetration and lack of speed/trajectory the lighter weights give for Elk hunting.

To each his own and the two sides to every story.

Jayco

That's what I'm thinking too!

Of course, shooting my 6 1/2 lb 06AI with 200gr Pt's at almost 2800fps already makes my mind go bonkers for a few seconds before my vision clears......


Casey

Hecks ya! How does that thing feed and what barrel length?

Since this is the "Ask The Gunwriters Forum" lets see what they have to say,in fun....What they have wrote about the 30-06 and bullets heavier than 180 grains....

John Barsness
Today I don't think there's a real need for anything bigger than a 180-grain bullet in the .30-06

Craig Boddington
I also don't have much use for bullets above 180 grains. Additional bullet weight--200 or 220 grains--offers a hedge against bullet blowup as well as increasing penetrating potential. There are times and places, such as using the .30-06 on brown bear or when Hemingway used his Griffin & Howe Springfield on lion, rhino and Cape buffalo. I don't use the .30-06 for such game, so for me a good 180-grain bullet is all I need.

Jayco

Sure, but I'm looking at a rifle/bullet combo for chasing the heard through the thick and occasional clear cut. Want a bullet that goes up a bulls six straight and true.

Without trying to start a fight, just HOW do you get 2,700 out of 200gr bullet in an 06 anyway. Been shooting one for 40 years, and believe that 2,500 - 2,550 about tops, especially with the 22" barrels so many wear.

MD, I'm not one that necessarily thinks that the books are the absolute end all to maximum loads. As an example you and I use pretty much the same loads for 9,3x62 which are above the low pressure loads listed but still under modern rifle pressure limits.

I think what you list here sounds pretty reasonable:





Problem is that your charges listed are just the starting point for some......




And not to mince words, was it here or on AA where someone trying to duplicate Seafire's Blue-Dot loads blew up a rifle?

Where do you set your upper limits?

I'd imagine you could probably feed a Remington model 700 70-75,000psi loads almost indefinately without a Kaboom but I don't think it's really all that smart to try and find out.

There's so many other rounds that can shoot 30 caliber 200gr bullets to 2800fps including lightweight rifles I just can't see the sense of trying to do it with a 30-06.

I don't see too much sense in UNDERloading a round either. I'm also not so sure there's that great a difference in the killing power of one starting at 2600fps vs 2700fps.

I don't mind pushing the envelope a little but ya gotta stop somewhere!..........................dj