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I'll Admit It's A Interesting Constitutional Question #6144794 02/07/12
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OP isaac Campfire Kahuna I Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 62,043 Northern Virginia	I think I'll spend some time looking into this a bit further. No real dog in the fight other than intellectual curiosity. Anyways,here goes: Are laws making Polygamy illegal,unconstitutional? Take a stab at it without researching the issue and see if we get there on our own understanding of the constitution. The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. William Arthur Ward

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Re: I'll Admit It's A Interesting Constitutional Question isaac #6144802 02/07/12
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Violator22 Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 54,842 Southwest Michigan	It two queers can marry, why can't a guy have more than 1 wife if'n he can support them, personally, one is WAY more than enough to me, who could take the incessant bitchin that you would get. Back in the heartland, Thank God!

Re: I'll Admit It's A Interesting Constitutional Question isaac #6144813 02/07/12
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APDDSN0864 Campfire Ranger A Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 19,825 Likes: 3 Alaska/Texas	WOW! You earn the title of Supreme Exhalted Pot-Stirrer with Clusters! Is this being adjudicated somewhere? Ed "Not in an open forum, where truth has less value than opinions, where all opinions are equally welcome regardless of their origins, rationale, inanity, or truth, where opinions are neither of equal value nor decisive." Ken Howell

Re: I'll Admit It's A Interesting Constitutional Question isaac #6144816 02/07/12
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VAnimrod Campfire Kahuna V Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 61,130 gone	Originally Posted by isaac I think I'll spend some time looking into this a bit further. No real dog in the fight other than intellectual curiosity. Anyways,here goes: Are laws making Polygamy illegal,unconstitutional? Take a stab at it without researching the issue and see if we get there on our own understanding of the constitution. At first blush, I would say "yes".

Re: I'll Admit It's A Interesting Constitutional Question VAnimrod #6144852 02/07/12
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T LEE Campfire Kahuna Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 73,096 Punta Gorda, FL	It like the homo stuff is legitimately a "States Rights" issue, not federal IMHO. George Orwell was a Prophet, not a novelist. Read 1984 and then look around you! Old cat turd! "Some men just need killing." ~ Clay Allison. I am too old to fight but I can still pull a trigger. ~ Me

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Re: I'll Admit It's A Interesting Constitutional Question VAnimrod #6144862 02/07/12
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OP isaac Campfire Kahuna I Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 62,043 Northern Virginia	Me too,Sean. That's what made me post it. There was a segment on FOX as to this debate and, while I did not hear the discussion, I saw the question byline on the screen when I came back to my computer. I thought I could quickly come up with a reason or two why the illegality should survived constitutional muster but I got stuck thinking in through. I'll say I did hear the words due process and gay from the guests. The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. William Arthur Ward

Re: I'll Admit It's A Interesting Constitutional Question isaac #6144869 02/07/12
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VAnimrod Campfire Kahuna V Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 61,130 gone	Originally Posted by isaac Me too,Sean. That's what made me post it. There was a segment on FOX as to this debate and, while I did not hear the discussion, I saw the question byline on the screen when I came back to my computer. I thought I could quickly come up with a reason or two why the illegality should survived constitutional muster but I got stuck thinking in through. I'll say I did hear the words due process and gay from the guests. Of course you would....

Re: I'll Admit It's A Interesting Constitutional Question isaac #6144874 02/07/12
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Cossatotjoe_redux Campfire Regular C Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,562	Here is your answer and the extent of the reasoning done on the subject. No, it is not unconstitutional because right now, Mormans and other religious whackos are way less popular than queers.

Re: I'll Admit It's A Interesting Constitutional Question Cossatotjoe_redux #6144887 02/07/12
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OP isaac Campfire Kahuna I Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 62,043 Northern Virginia	My gut takes me more towards the "equal protection" argument side of things. The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. William Arthur Ward

Re: I'll Admit It's A Interesting Constitutional Question isaac #6144895 02/07/12
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AKHntr Campfire Regular A Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 2,661	Basically there are more women than men so yes a man should have more women. Every woman I know wants a man so why should they be deprived.

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Re: I'll Admit It's A Interesting Constitutional Question isaac #6144899 02/07/12
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curdog4570 Campfire Ranger Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 24,239 North texas usa	A man wanting more than one wife is demonstrably insane and thus is is subject to being made a ward of the State. So...there is no constitutional question involved. Never holler whoa or look back in a tight place

Re: I'll Admit It's A Interesting Constitutional Question AKHntr #6144905 02/07/12
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RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State	Originally Posted by AKHntr Every woman I know wants a man so why should they be deprived. Astutely noting that you are unable to provide this service?

Re: I'll Admit It's A Interesting Constitutional Question isaac #6144906 02/07/12
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MOCoyote Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 33	Then how about two sisters, or brothers, on and on?

Re: I'll Admit It's A Interesting Constitutional Question MOCoyote #6144923 02/07/12
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OP isaac Campfire Kahuna I Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 62,043 Northern Virginia	Law against in-breeding would certainly withstand constitutional muster,imo. Last edited by isaac; 02/07/12. The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. William Arthur Ward

Re: I'll Admit It's A Interesting Constitutional Question MOCoyote #6144928 02/07/12
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watch4bear Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 40,179 wasilla ak	Originally Posted by MOCoyote Then how about two sisters, or brothers, on and on? Or a horse, dog, or rock? Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?" Liberal father: " I fought the Americans, along with all the other liberals." MOLON LABE

Re: I'll Admit It's A Interesting Constitutional Question watch4bear #6144932 02/07/12
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OP isaac Campfire Kahuna I Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 62,043 Northern Virginia	Originally Posted by watch4bear Originally Posted by MOCoyote Then how about two sisters, or brothers, on and on? Or a horse, dog, or rock? =========== Now you got akhntr's attention. The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. William Arthur Ward

Re: I'll Admit It's A Interesting Constitutional Question isaac #6144933 02/07/12
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.280Rem Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 13,760 Alabama	Originally Posted by isaac Me too,Sean. That's what made me post it. There was a segment on FOX as to this debate and, while I did not hear the discussion, I saw the question byline on the screen when I came back to my computer. I thought I could quickly come up with a reason or two why the illegality should survived constitutional muster but I got stuck thinking in through. I'll say I did hear the words due process and gay from the guests. I'll take the other side. I say they are Constitutional, as long as in application, they're facially neutral. War Damn Eagle!

Re: I'll Admit It's A Interesting Constitutional Question Cossatotjoe_redux #6144938 02/07/12
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add Campfire Ranger A Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 16,283 Likes: 4	Good thread opener Isaac. My first (and layman's) thought to, Are laws making Polygamy illegal,unconstitutional? , would be yes. Have women ever been defined as "property" in past constitutional cases? Epstein didn't kill himself. "Play Cinnamon Girl you Sonuvabitch!" Biden didn't win the election.

Re: I'll Admit It's A Interesting Constitutional Question MOCoyote #6144939 02/07/12
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Steve_NO Campfire 'Bwana Joined: May 2003 Posts: 48,411 New Orleans	who is government to stand in the way of love? and why draw the line at humans? who are we to say it's wrong for a man to really love his dog? But, seriously, the fact that all these things were crimes.....some of them capital....at the time of the founding should be a pretty fair indicator that, at best, the founders certainly did not intend the states to be prohibited from outlawing them by any provision of the federal constitution. homosexual sodomy, incest, polygamy and bestiality were also still all crimes when the 14th amendment was adopted, so that doesn't get you there. Proudly representing oil companies, defense contractors, and firearms manufacturers since 1980. Because merchants of death need lawyers, too.

Re: I'll Admit It's A Interesting Constitutional Question Steve_NO #6144948 02/07/12
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VAnimrod Campfire Kahuna V Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 61,130 gone	Originally Posted by Steve_NO who is government to stand in the way of love? and why draw the line at humans? who are we to say it's wrong for a man to really love his dog? Just a hunch that one would have to be a Florida case.... Originally Posted by Steve_NO the fact that all these things were crimes.....some of them capital....at the time of the founding should be a pretty fair indicator that, at best, the founders certainly did not intend the states to be prohibited from outlawing them by any provision of the federal constitution. There were a few felony, and perhaps capital, crimes involving slaves at the time of the Founding as well. Just saying... Originally Posted by Steve_NO homosexual sodomy, incest, polygamy and bestiality were also still all crimes when the 14th amendment was adopted, so that doesn't get you there. So was blacks voting, or women, or women holding office, or property.... Again, just saying.

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