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I know everyone gets tired of all of these cartridge comparison posts but I need someone to justify a new rifle for me. I currently have a model 70 XTR .264 and recently I have been considering buying a few standard calibers. Most of my rifles are not readily available at your local wal mart. I have been shooting nosler ammo (130 accubonds) from my .264 and I see that the 130 accubond from a .270 is only 25 fps slower. I am not currently a reloader so I am forced to shoot factory ammo. I can also buy .270 shells for considerably less than .264 ammo. Is there really any benefit to owning the .264 over the .270 when the vast majority of my shots are well under 300 yards. I am thinking of selling or trading my .264 for a nice .270 or even a .308. I think the .264 is a "cooler" cartridge but is there really any good reasons to keep it over the .270? I just read on here the other day that you have to be gay to use a .270 so that is one reason why I am not sure I want one I was just wondering if there were any other reasons? Thanks.
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What rifles do you own now?
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I gotta figure out how to be gay real quick� I got a big herd of .270's
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Those "gay" comments regularly come form a few on this forum that just live to put in their smart azz comments. Once in awhile it is a legitimate joke from a serious member.
FEW who own a 270 find a reason to not own it. Very capable, repeatable and dependable caliber. If you don't reload, you can buy ammo almost anywhere, and it will shoot well and kill stuff. I plan on being buried with my 270, but I will probably be shooting 130ABs in my 6.5x284 till then also. jmho Tim
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I figured out my lack of gayness...I gotta get a 7x57 or 300wsm. Ingwe and BSA will be here soon
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Rancho, the following is what I have right now. I currently own a 7mm-08, 25-06, 450 marlin, 30-30, 35 rem, 300 WM, .223, .243, 338 federal and the .264 WM. Not alot of standard calibers so that is why I was thinking of adding one or two.
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Rancho, the following is what I have right now. I currently own a 7mm-08, 25-06, 450 marlin, 30-30, 35 rem, 300 WM, .223, .243, 338 federal and the .264 WM. Not alot of standard calibers so that is why I was thinking of adding one or two. "Not a lot of standard calibers"??? 7-08, 25-06, 30-30, .300WM, .223, .243 are all pretty 'standard' to me.. Here's maybe a more viable comparison.. The 25-06 will run a 120 gr to 3,000 fps.. A .270 will run a 130 grain to 3,000 fps.. The .264 will run a 130 grain bullet up to 3200, and a 140 grain to 3,000 fps.. What you're doing so far is slightly hindering the performance capability of the .264.. In your area, is 130 grain factory stuff all that's available? And are you certain of the Nosler speed on those 130s (i.e., are you running them through a chrono?) If they're truly within 25 fps of the .270 then Nosler's really toned down the load. The .264 is really a very well-performing round and benefits greatly by reloading.. I don't think you'd get much benefit, overall, by trading down to a .270.. Just my .02
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The 264WM is about the only belted mag that interests me--it does have cool factor (OK, the 6.5RM also).
But as an elk hunter, I will always compare the 6.5mm 140gr to the 270 cal 150gr. As an elk hunter, I will also compare the 26 inch bbl 264 (if you're gonna run a overbore mag, may as well run the looong bbl) to the 270 22 inch bbl. The weight of the rifles, the recoil, and trajectories.
The 270 wins for a serious Rocky Mountain rifle.
Now, for your hunting back east, the 264 may be just the ticket.
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I know everyone gets tired of all of these cartridge comparison posts but I need someone to justify a new rifle for me. I currently have a model 70 XTR .264 and recently I have been considering buying a few standard calibers. Most of my rifles are not readily available at your local wal mart. I have been shooting nosler ammo (130 accubonds) from my .264 and I see that the 130 accubond from a .270 is only 25 fps slower. I am not currently a reloader so I am forced to shoot factory ammo. I can also buy .270 shells for considerably less than .264 ammo. Is there really any benefit to owning the .264 over the .270 when the vast majority of my shots are well under 300 yards. I am thinking of selling or trading my .264 for a nice .270 or even a .308. I think the .264 is a "cooler" cartridge but is there really any good reasons to keep it over the .270? I just read on here the other day that you have to be gay to use a .270 so that is one reason why I am not sure I want one I was just wondering if there were any other reasons? Thanks. First of all.....ignore the "gay" stuff....most of those comments are from guys using calibers that don't kill a whit better than a 270.Many of them know better,but won't admit it,because the 270 annually kills a lot more game than most of the things they carry.270 users laff at that stuff.... If you have an XTR in 264 it's likely a pretty heavy rifle, and you may want something a bit lighter/shorter. A light 270 Winchester with a 22" barrel will give abit under to a bit over 3100 fps with the regular old blue box Federal factory ammo,and in my rifle,gave 3106 just before this hunting season. It will nicely kill any deer you bump into whether in PA or anyplace else,and will work in the thickets as well as the more open country on anything you are likely to hunt. Out to 300-400 yards, your 264 holds no advantage. The advantage to the 264 won't really show up until you get well past those disatnces;anything hit with either one to 600 yards will be quickly and thoroughly dead if the bullets are well placed from either one.
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I figured out my lack of gayness...I gotta get a 7x57 or 300wsm. Ingwe and BSA will be here soon It's not the 7x57 or 300WSM that gives them the gay, it's the little bitty boolits......... Casey
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Sell one of your rifles and buy reloading equipment. It'll make all the rest of them more fun.
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sell me that M70 264 and go buy yourself a two sevenee.
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Sell one of your rifles and buy reloading equipment. It'll make all the rest of them more fun. Best advice ITT.
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It has always been my opinion that the 270 win is the reason that the 264 win mag never became really popular. One will do what the other will do, but without the rapid barrel erosion. Both are fine calibers.
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But as an elk hunter, I will always compare the 6.5mm 140gr to the 270 cal 150gr. As an elk hunter, I will also compare the 26 inch bbl 264 (if you're gonna run a overbore mag, may as well run the looong bbl) to the 270 22 inch bbl. The weight of the rifles, the recoil, and trajectories.
Yeah, let's compare.. I just ran two factory offerings through the Sierra Infinity-6 program.. The 150 gr Remington .270 vs. the 130 grain Nosler .264WM.. At 400 yards, with 200 yard zero, (just to pick one): .270 Rem = 872.8 ft/# energy, and drops 27.49 inches .264WM Nosler = 1375.1 ft/# energy and drops 21.85" The 270 wins for a serious Rocky Mountain rifle. In carrying weight only.. The heavier XTR will negate the increased recoil vs. the MT. rifle.. But I do agree that carrying a 5# rifle up/down major hills will be better than dragging a 7# rifle over the same terrain.. But as far as energy/trajectory is concerned, that lovely .264WM wins big.. Now, for your hunting back east, the 264 may be just the ticket.
Casey It's especially the 'ticket' when shooting beanfield country.. As nearly everyone knows, I'm a bit (well, maybe more than a bit) biased toward the .264.. Just thought I better make that note.. ..
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Both fine calibers, buy both and pass them on to your heirs.
You mentioned not reloading, if you don't reload there are many more factory offerings available in the .270 Win. which increases the odds of finding a combo that delivers great accuracy.
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With factory loads at ranges up to 300 yards there isn't enough difference between the .264 and .270 to make the .264 worthwhile, due to the relative lack of factory .264 ammo.
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As nearly everyone knows, I'm a bit (well, maybe more than a bit) biased toward the .264.. Just thought I better make that note.. .. That's pretty obvious when you choose to use one of the most ballistically inefficient .270 factory loads for comparison to one of the best 264 loads.
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But as an elk hunter, I will always compare the 6.5mm 140gr to the 270 cal 150gr. As an elk hunter, I will also compare the 26 inch bbl 264 (if you're gonna run a overbore mag, may as well run the looong bbl) to the 270 22 inch bbl. The weight of the rifles, the recoil, and trajectories.
Yeah, let's compare.. I just ran two factory offerings through the Sierra Infinity-6 program.. The 150 gr Remington .270 vs. the 130 grain Nosler .264WM.. At 400 yards, with 200 yard zero, (just to pick one): .270 Rem = 872.8 ft/# energy, and drops 27.49 inches .264WM Nosler = 1375.1 ft/# energy and drops 21.85" The 270 wins for a serious Rocky Mountain rifle. In carrying weight only.. The heavier XTR will negate the increased recoil vs. the MT. rifle.. But I do agree that carrying a 5# rifle up/down major hills will be better than dragging a 7# rifle over the same terrain.. But as far as energy/trajectory is concerned, that lovely .264WM wins big.. Now, for your hunting back east, the 264 may be just the ticket.
Casey It's especially the 'ticket' when shooting beanfield country.. As nearly everyone knows, I'm a bit (well, maybe more than a bit) biased toward the .264.. Just thought I better make that note.. .. The .270 was built around the 130gr bullet. Why do you use the 150gr to compare? Plus, he said he doesn't shoot past 300yds. Your comparison put everything in favor of the .264. Bottom line is the .270 will kill anything he wants to 300yds.
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But as an elk hunter, I will always compare the 6.5mm 140gr to the 270 cal 150gr. As an elk hunter, I will also compare the 26 inch bbl 264 (if you're gonna run a overbore mag, may as well run the looong bbl) to the 270 22 inch bbl. The weight of the rifles, the recoil, and trajectories.
Yeah, let's compare.. I just ran two factory offerings through the Sierra Infinity-6 program.. The 150 gr Remington .270 vs. the 130 grain Nosler .264WM.. At 400 yards, with 200 yard zero, (just to pick one): .270 Rem = 872.8 ft/# energy, and drops 27.49 inches .264WM Nosler = 1375.1 ft/# energy and drops 21.85" The 270 wins for a serious Rocky Mountain rifle. In carrying weight only.. The heavier XTR will negate the increased recoil vs. the MT. rifle.. But I do agree that carrying a 5# rifle up/down major hills will be better than dragging a 7# rifle over the same terrain.. But as far as energy/trajectory is concerned, that lovely .264WM wins big.. Now, for your hunting back east, the 264 may be just the ticket.
Casey It's especially the 'ticket' when shooting beanfield country.. As nearly everyone knows, I'm a bit (well, maybe more than a bit) biased toward the .264.. Just thought I better make that note.. .. The .270 was built around the 130gr bullet. Why do you use the 150gr to compare? Plus, he said he doesn't shoot past 300yds. Your comparison put everything in favor of the .264. Bottom line is the .270 will kill anything he wants to 300yds. I used that bullet because that's what the poster said he used.. Trying to compare the two actual loads - the Nosler by the OP, and the 150 grain by alpinecrick.. Between those two, the 264 wins easily.. Ok, let's go back to 300 yards. At 300, using those same two examples, Rem = 1245 energy/2.9 drop Nosler = 1595 energy/2.5 drop Still favors the .264WM.... Again, just using the two versions of ammo specified by those two posters.. Inside 300 yards, no argument, each will do fine.. But once past that range, there's really not much comparison.. My point is, why trade down to a .270 when the .264WM will do everything the 270 will, and more..especially since he already has the XTR in hand..
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