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Either will kill anything that [bleep] thru a meat ass. Personally, I'd grab 180 or 200 Partitions�. my 2 cents
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Accubond may not open up as designed once is slows down under 2600. That bullet is bonded and needs velocity to work correctly. Where do you guys come from? Go out and shoot some schit with AccuBonds, and report back...
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Research the bc's. I had a super accurate load with a 6mm 85 grain sierra @ 2900fps. I did a ballistics program on wind deflection & drop from 100-300 yards. I was absolutely shocked at the difference of the sierra and other bullets. Practice shooting in the wind with different loads from one hill to another to get a feel for how the wind can come from all different directions. The AB's have a good bc and would be my choice. I think with AB's the kill design & high bc, the only other type I would try is a berger VLD, AMax, Barnes Triple Shock, etc. I use a Leupy Boone & Crockett that has distance and wind crosshair that helps me a lot. Good Luck!
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Accubond may not open up as designed once is slows down under 2600. That bullet is bonded and needs velocity to work correctly. Where do you guys come from? Go out and shoot some schit with AccuBonds, and report back... I mean a 22lr will kill them but the original post is not about killing. It is about which one we "opinion" think is better and "we" think the Game King is better in a heavy bullet at long distances when velocities begin to decrease.
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For elk hunting, long range say 300-600yds 30-06 24" barrel 2700 fps
Looking at the 200gr Sierra GameKing and 200gr . Nosler Accubond.
Which would pick assuming both shot equally out of your rifle.
Thanks Sounds like he has plans on killing to me
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Accubond may not open up as designed once is slows down under 2600. That bullet is bonded and needs velocity to work correctly. Where do you guys come from? Go out and shoot some schit with AccuBonds, and report back... I mean a 22lr will kill them but the original post is not about killing. It is about which one we "opinion" think is better and "we" think the Game King is better in a heavy bullet at long distances when velocities begin to decrease. I'm referring to your stupidity about AccuBonds not opening up below 2600. Nothing else. Your opinion about who make a good hunting bullet is just that, your opinion. But don't start posting bullet performance ideas that you don't know schit about. Use them, kill a bunch of game with them (like a bunch of us here have), then come back and tell us they won't open below 2600 fps.
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Well aren't you just a grown up!! Does it hurt you so much to think that your opinion and mine are different. Never said it would not open, said it would not open properly. Call Nolser and ask them if more speed causes more expantion. Might want to calm down a bit. It is just opinions, not building nukes here.
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Accubond may not open up as designed once is slows down under 2600. That bullet is bonded and needs velocity to work correctly. If you are going heavy go with Partition or Gamking. Light and fast, go with Accubond. Sir, I assure you the AB need a lower expanding initiation velocity than the partition and the TTSX. If your theory of the AB not expanding at less than 2600 fps holds water, then that would mean that the 30-06 with 180 accubonds ay 2700 fps MV has a max range of 125 yards--(limited by the bullet). Really? Think about that. Here you go. AB at 200 300 800 and 100 yards. http://www.noslerreloading.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=16492
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Your opinion and mine are different. Never said it would not open, said it would not open properly. It is just opinions. That's the difference between keyboard hunters like yourself, and hunters like me, and some others here on the board. I don't voice my opinions about something I know nothing about. I have actual experience in the field, killing big game animals with these bullets. I see first hand what they do, and how they perform. Again, if you don't have actual experience with Accubond bullets, keep your opinion to yourself until you actually kill enough animals with them to formulate an EDUCATED opinion.
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Fotis--those two at 800 didn't look like they opened up properly. Just my opinion. Any idea what the impact velocity was at 800?
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Ok let me make it simple for you. If you hit a brick wall at five miles per hour, the damage to to other side of the wall is not as great as if you hit the wall at 60 miles per hour. Also, you car will not peal back quite as much as if you hit the wall at 60 miles per hour. Now what caused the damage to the wall and the car? I say impact. Now what caused the damage to be great at 60 mph than at 5 mph? I say velocity. Please UNDERSTAND that I love the Accubond bullet, the Partition bullet, and kinda like the Game King. If you chose to go back and look, I only stated that the Accubond did not open to full potential at a lower velosity. It is designed to go fast unlike say a Match King bullet which does not perform very well inside a thick skined animal (kinda comes apart and may not penetrate to well). In a 30-06 with 180 grain bullet, my "opinion" is the Accubond is too tuff of a bullet to get the full potential at say 400 or 500 yards. You just can't get it to go fast enough. Check out the video on the Barnes Bullet website where they are check for bullet expantion at different velocities. It opens up at low speeds but not as much as the ones at a higher velocity. Not trying to change anyone's mind. Just using my experience to give an opinion. I don't think I have earned the right to be called stupid because I do not agree with say a bullet guru. Dang!!
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Fotis--those two at 800 didn't look like they opened up properly. Just my opinion. Any idea what the impact velocity was at 800? 1860 @800 1600 @1000
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Ok let me make it simple for you. If you hit a brick wall at five miles per hour, the damage to to other side of the wall is not as great as if you hit the wall at 60 miles per hour. Also, you car will not peal back quite as much as if you hit the wall at 60 miles per hour. Now what caused the damage to the wall and the car? I say impact. Now what caused the damage to be great at 60 mph than at 5 mph? I say velocity. Please UNDERSTAND that I love the Accubond bullet, the Partition bullet, and kinda like the Game King. If you chose to go back and look, I only stated that the Accubond did not open to full potential at a lower velosity. It is designed to go fast unlike say a Match King bullet which does not perform very well inside a thick skined animal (kinda comes apart and may not penetrate to well). In a 30-06 with 180 grain bullet, my "opinion" is the Accubond is too tuff of a bullet to get the full potential at say 400 or 500 yards. You just can't get it to go fast enough. Check out the video on the Barnes Bullet website where they are check for bullet expantion at different velocities. It opens up at low speeds but not as much as the ones at a higher velocity. Not trying to change anyone's mind. Just using my experience to give an opinion. I don't think I have earned the right to be called stupid because I do not agree with say a bullet guru. Dang!! I personally never did that..... for the record http://www.nosler.com/Bullets/Accubond.aspxPlease scroll down to the velocity vs expansion chart. PS the accubond opens up 200 fps lower than the Partition.
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Accubond may not open up as designed once is slows down under 2600. The 110 AccuBombs I shoot in my 6.8 leave the barrel at 2600. Pretty sure they slow down after that. The two dozen 150-250# hogs I killed with them at 100-200 yards last year would tell you they open up just fine...if they could talk.
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Right below southwestern montucky. As for the rest of you know it alls, I can't wait until I am such a successful and knowledgeable that I have cronies on the net that after I brag on myself, they chime in to brag on me also. What a bunch of kids you guys are. I mean really, all you have to do is say you disagree and move on. But noooo. You guys feel the need to discourage adult conversation and feel you must bash others opinions of a simple thing like a bullet into the ground. Hope you guys are proud of yourselves. I am sure your mother are.
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I think you're taking this too personal. Some things are indeed a matter of opinion. Some things are just fact. You can not say that, "It is my opinion that the accubond does not expand under 2600 fps." That is NOT an opinion. Why? Because then your opinion is indeed disputed by facts from the manufacturer and by others who have used it at longer range and it left a 2" exit wound. For example!!!!!!!!!! listen to the man, I ever tell y'all I like accubonds? accubond exit at a range of 702 yards, impact velocity was 2280 fps, now Ive only had one not exit once (wasn't the bullets fault) but out of 39 deer shot with them, from 290 to 1350 yards, all the exits looked about the same depending on resistance that is met, if the shoulder blade isn't hit, the exit is about 1/2 that size, regardless of range or velocity RR Now how can you say they do not expand under 2600 fps?
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AGAIN, I didn't say they did not expand. I SAID they do not fully expand as designed. Go back and reread if you need to. Not only are you better hunters and more knowledgable in your area that I am down here in keyboard hunter land, the dimes are bigger. Had no idea!! Sooo.......
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