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grizz head shot with an arrow.


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The World Record Brown Bear for years was taken with a .308 bullet,the same as yes,the 30-30.

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Yea, real hunters only need a bow. I've killed a few with mine, alone and no bait or dogs. Weeelll, they were blackies.

Funny, I asked Tim Wells about that grizz and the head shot. He was man enough to admit that was not done on purpose, but his adrenaline was pumping and he was focused on the head to see if the bear saw him before he shot. Instinct put it where he was looking. I probably woulda shot a high limb.

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Originally Posted by Steve_NO
yep....which makes one wonder....have we been bamboozled by the hook and bullet press, are animals way tougher than they were a century ago, or were legions of our forefathers consumed by predators after pinking them with puny lever actions? Quien sabe?


Most of 'em got a lot closer than most of us do nowadays.But they didn't think so.I remember a few of them old guys talking about killing deer awaaaay off...... maybe a hunnerd yards.But most of 'em never set foot on a football field,and "a hunnerd yards" was not a common measurement for anything they dealt with.

They were just honestly mistaken.

And........ head shooting was a preferred method of dispatch.I knew two old hunters -make it three- who were born around the turn of the century and hunted into the late eighties and they still shot every critter,hog or deer,right in the head.

Miles Preston was born in 1902 or 1903 and he took me huntin' many times in the fifties and sixties in South Jack County where he lived.Only rifles he owned was a single-shot 22 and a '94 Win in 30 30.I saw him hit a running armadillo at around 75 yards with the first shot from the '94.

And we ate the armadillo for supper.grin


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Oh well, times have changed. You no longer can catch fish with a Zebco either..... grin
Oh you can hang them on that 33, but as sorry as the metal is now, you just can't crank them in.


A 33 is mighty fancy stuff- I was thinking more along the lines of a minnow scale-encrusted 202.... grin
My 7 year-old daughter keeps reminding me how bad they are, every time she out-fishes me with hers.

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Head shot? wink


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Originally Posted by Steve_NO
yep....which makes one wonder....have we been bamboozled by the hook and bullet press,


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I'm kidding Cur. I've related a woodsman of east Texas hitting deer in the head with a 30-30 and it through the timber and ahead of the hounds.

The bear killer Ben Lilly could supposedly empty his on a falling buzzard and never miss a shot. He was the man responsible for cleaning the bear out of La, ark, and Texas and learned to wade in with his hounds and knife the bear. Later he got most the grizz in New Mexico and ran the hounds for TRs infamous bear hunt. There is a very interesting book bout him.

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Many died years ago behind bullets that came apart on men and critter. I've read of a lawmen killed in a prison breakout when the Peters bullet stuck in the prisoners leather belt, etc.


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In WW 1 the Germans never forgave the Jews for supposedly saving money and reducing the powder loads in the rifle cartridges which resulted in many bullets stuck in barrels during battle.


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Well, I always wondered if those 33s I picked up for my son at a gun show years ago might have been counterfeits from china. When they first came out with them I did great with them and that newfangled monofilament the fish couldn't see.


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Ben liked 30-30 for lion,33win for bear.

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I was just wondering what he used and couldn't remember. He spent time in your an Ltpowells area too.


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Originally Posted by eyeball
I'm kidding Cur. I've related a woodsman of east Texas hitting deer in the head with a 30-30 and it through the timber and ahead of the hounds.

The bear killer Ben Lilly could supposedly empty his on a falling buzzard and never miss a shot. He was the man responsible for cleaning the bear out of La, ark, and Texas and learned to wade in with his hounds and knife the bear. Later he got most the grizz in New Mexico and ran the hounds for TRs infamous bear hunt. There is a very interesting book bout him.


I've worked over an '86 in .45-90 that belonged to Lily.
Just squared it away to function. The bore was TRASHED. There was some half completed "Engraving" started on it, obviously "Way back When" , cause it was aged, and scarred to match the rest of the Patina,....

Story was that Ben Lily got tired of waiting for the engraver , and paid him for what was done,.....never made it back.

I repeat,....a LETTERED Winchester, in .45-90,....not a "30-30"

Pretty amazing how little that rifle was being bought,....re-sold for, not all that long ago.

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Unreal Cross. I would dearly love to touch that gun.


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Originally Posted by cutNshoot
Ben liked 30-30 for lion,33win for bear.


I believe he also ran a .35 Win in a '95.

Nice plaque on a boulder a few miles north of Silver City about old Ben.

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...Actually Sycamore, you are sort of right....
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Thanks W4B. Hope you are doing ok in all that snow and cold.


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Originally Posted by eyeball
Unreal Cross. I would dearly love to touch that gun.
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'Jim Clark had it, than sold it with a compendium of other assorted Lilly related plunder,....letters, original first edition books, tools, etc.

as noted, on reflection, this sorta', stuff does NOT bring all that much $$$ jingles.

The '86 discussed had been rode hard, and put away wet,....I'd be pretty sure that it was replaced, and passed into other hands,....

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Be great to know the story behind it.


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