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I have a 375 H&H in a stainless weatherby mark V. It worked well for me on Kodiak and hope to take it to Africa some day. Mark V SS sounds good. To me the Mark V is about the fastest action for a second shot of about any I've handled. Although push feed, they seem to cycle rounds very well. I have a M-70 Classic Super Express in .375 H&H. I don't like the fold down rear sight. I see no need for a fold down, as a low power scope sees the front, but not the rear sight to begin with. I'm thinking about shortening the 24" barrel to 22", replace factory sights with NECG front ramp and single pop up rear, Cerakote flat black and fit a black McM Safari, using factory bottom metal. The M-70 is pretty heavy. I hope to lose some wt. with the above alterations. IMHO, the CZ's are heavier and bulkier than M-70's, although solid, well build guns. It seems to me that M-70's are smoother out of the box than CZ's. A worked over CZ is a great gun, no doubt. DF To me, most factory 375's are heavier than they need to be...a Classic with factory tube is a club,even with a synthetic. The only way I could ever get them right was to build custom,and all it really takes is a barrel in the range of a #4,and a good sythetic.Mine comes in at 8# even with a 4X leupold on board.I built it back in the 80's and it still works really well, and is a pleasure to lug around, weihing no more, and even less, that a run-of-the-mill 300 or 338 Win Mag. I helped a friend spec a left hand M70 with Brown stock,and it came out really nice, a bit under 8 pounds with a Lilja SS tube. Dirtfarmer if you PM me your email address I can forward pictures of this rifle. Campfire members may really like this one I think. 
The 280 Remington is overbore.
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I'm trying to make the factory barrel work, at least for now, by using a factory profile McM Safari stock without drop belly mag. and shortening the 24" bbl to 22". With the Leupold VX-III, 1.5-5x20, it's now in the 10+# range. Hopefully I can get it into the 9+# range, complete with scope and rings, etc., a weight that I think I can live with.
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+1, although I've only just set up my first trip to Africa (the Selous) this fall. I own a Winchester Model 70 "Classic" in .375 H&H already and have taken a brown bear with it in Alaska. I've very comfortable shooting this gun and plan on bringing it with me for buffalo with 350 grain (heavy for caliber) ammunition.
I decided to bring a second rifle in the same caliber and am in the process of purchasing a Ruger #1 Tropical. I like the classic design of these single shots and have always brought along a "back-up" rifle or shotgun on long distance hunting trips. Although the probability is remote, firearms are mechanical instruments and even the best of them can experience malfunctions or unexpected damage. The caliber isn't so powerful that I can't use either rifle for plains game and since I can legally take two buffalo (if all works out), why not use the single shot for one of them?
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I took an Interarms pre Mark X when I went to Africa (thanks Luv2Safari) and I could not ask a rifle to do any better in function or killing power... but,of the two you mentioned, CZ would be my choice too...
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I'm trying to make the factory barrel work, at least for now, by using a factory profile McM Safari stock without drop belly mag. and shortening the 24" bbl to 22". With the Leupold VX-III, 1.5-5x20, it's now in the 10+# range. Hopefully I can get it into the 9+# range, complete with scope and rings, etc., a weight that I think I can live with.
DF
M70, .375, barrel cut to 21", factory tupperware, three rounds, Leupold 1.5-5 MK4 = 9# 8 oz. i do not remember if that weight included the sling, but the MK4 scope i have on it is heavier than the VX-3 model. ![[Linked Image]](http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/pp78/1sikpupi/100_1508Large.jpg)
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Toad,
You think 21" is the way to go? I was looking at 22", but I like the way your gun looks. I guess cutting more off an already heavy bbl will lighten it even more.
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You can count me in the M70 CRF crowd.
Mike Yep, what Mike said. And a few others. If it isn't one of your choices, it should be. IMHO of course! 
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DF, i would go 22" just as fast as i went 21". i don't remember what made me decide 21", but it was basically a coin toss.
this gun is .375 AI, and maybe i decided that i could get enough extra speed from the AI to make up for the shorter tube.
Guns don't kill people, drivers with cell phones kill people.
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Pulicords make sure that you can have two guns with same caliber where you are going and any country you may be checking a gun through on the way. It may not be legal.
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Why, I have not yet begun to defile myself.
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Nice rig,how's the recoil?
Why, I have not yet begun to defile myself.
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Nice rig,how's the recoil?
Why, I have not yet begun to defile myself.
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recoil is not bad. it is, after all, a 9.5# .375.
i have shot 50 rounds from the bench (while fireforming brass) in one day, but the last few rounds was not that fun.
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Many Thanks to all of you for the advise. It appears like both the CZ-550 and M-70 are about as good from all the opinions. A store close by already has the CZ for $1030.00 while I would have to special order the Model-70 for about $1300.00
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LC: If you are expanding your options to include the M-70, that would be my uquestionable first choice. jorge
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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Whitworth was mentioned once or maybe twice. Buddy of mine has one earmarked to give me that is very close to new. Only handled that rig one time but sure felt good. Any other feedback on the Whitworth now that the undisputed champ is the Model 70?
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Whitworth's would be great also if you could find one.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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Whitworth was mentioned once or maybe twice. Buddy of mine has one earmarked to give me that is very close to new. Only handled that rig one time but sure felt good. Any other feedback on the Whitworth now that the undisputed champ is the Model 70? Love 'em.
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Whitworth was mentioned once or maybe twice. Buddy of mine has one earmarked to give me that is very close to new. Only handled that rig one time but sure felt good. Any other feedback on the Whitworth now that the undisputed champ is the Model 70? I wouldn't turn one down... DF
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Whitworth was mentioned once or maybe twice. Buddy of mine has one earmarked to give me that is very close to new. Only handled that rig one time but sure felt good. Any other feedback on the Whitworth now that the undisputed champ is the Model 70? I wouldn't turn one down... DF Should tell you what I think.. ![[Linked Image]](http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss45/thmsbrownlee/004_4-1.jpg)
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