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#6176241 - 02/14/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: Tanner]  
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My "X Factor" is a crusher out to and beyond 1000 meters with 115 VLD's at 3000fps....The 6XC might just be the best longrange coyote rifle ever. Kills other stuff pretty good too.....grin!


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#6176256 - 02/14/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: StrayDog]  
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Originally Posted by StrayDog
Bob,
So many custom after market parts for the 700, not so many for the Sako.


StrayDog: Yes it seems that way. Don't want anyone to think I don't like Rem 700's....I have had quite a few,and have shot lots of varmints with them, mostly woodchucks here in NE with a couple of 22-250's a 220 Swift Classic,and a 222.

Also a 25/06,and a couple of Roberts MR's.I also have a MR that I leave in Wyoming at the ranch as my backup rifle....just have never needed it.I will likely go with a Remington or Defiance for this project.I'm sure either will work fine.




The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
#6176262 - 02/14/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: BobinNH]  
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Well....hurry up and get going on it....

grin


#6176269 - 02/14/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: scenarshooter]  
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Originally Posted by scenarshooter
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My "X Factor" is a crusher out to and beyond 1000 meters with 115 VLD's at 3000fps....The 6XC might just be the best longrange coyote rifle ever. Kills other stuff pretty good too.....grin!


Yahoo! Pat to the rescue.....! grin

That's what I'm talkin about getting! Pat's rifle looks like it has a heavier barrel than mine will.

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The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
#6176286 - 02/14/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: Tom264]  
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Geezus Tom I just got started! My brain is addled going through all the damned options! eek

I'm on it.... grin




The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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#6176306 - 02/14/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: BobinNH]  
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Laffin'

Hey did you ever get a .264 Mag you were pondering a bit back?


#6176384 - 02/14/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: StrayDog]  
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99, that was a sharp looking single shot in the photo..how about a bit of back ground on the rifle and scope...

#6176469 - 02/14/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: WyoCoyoteHunter]  
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Pat, thinking that I may have to get one of those leather cheek pads from you... they look sharp.

#6176781 - 02/14/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: Tanner]  
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Originally Posted by TannerGun
Pat, thinking that I may have to get one of those leather cheek pads from you... they look sharp.


yup... i think I am gonna get one of those too. grin



#6176892 - 02/14/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: WyoCoyoteHunter]  
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The rifle is a Winchester High Wall done by the late Floyd Butler of Poultney, VT.

He used a Buhmiller barrel and made the stock and all the smith work. Its chambered for the .219 Improved Zipper. The scope is a 10X Lyman Supertargetspot.

I have used the rifle for about 50 years. Back when there were lots of chucks that rifle got it's share. Most of the shooting was with that marksmans sling from prone or sitting.

Butler link

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That the first shot from it's cold barrel from my C.F. hunting rifles hit where I want it at 200 yds is more important to me that what groups it may shoot at 100 yds!

My match rifles must shoot groups. We get sighting shots at matches!
Bravo

#6176919 - 02/14/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: Savage_99]  
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Are those cheek pads available? wink

#6177304 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: Tom264]  
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Originally Posted by Tom264
Laffin'

Hey did you ever get a .264 Mag you were pondering a bit back?


Tom: I've had three 264's, the last about 4 years ago now.No, I haven't bought one recently.




The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
#6179582 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: BobinNH]  
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Bob,

If you are considering upgrading to a custom action I would recommend you check out the McMillan G30. Of all the upgrade 700 style actions this one is my favorite for a number of reasons.

1. Highest grade of materials, 17-4 PH stainless for the receiver and 9310 bolt.

2. Rear bridge is dropped down to accept all Rem 700 scope mounts. Most custom actions take the easy way out and keep the rear bridge at full diameter.
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3. Large loading port gives better access to the action and makes loading and unloading surer and easier. I am not a fan of the reduced size loading ports in most custom actions as the minimal gain in stiffness is not worth the hassle of loading when I have gloves on or am in a hurry.

4. Functional bolt fluting. In my opinion fluting is done to give dirt and crap a place to go when operating under less than sterile conditions. Every other action I have seen stops the flutes short of the bridges and therefore it serves no purpose but cosmetic and a very minor reduction in action weight. The flutes on the G30 run under the bridges. The flutes are also not cut with a ball nosed endmill but rather with a milling cutter that produces steeper side walls in the flutes and more efficient flute geometry for breaking ice under the bridges.
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5. The G30 has an enclosed cocking piece and it will help prevent gas from reaching the shooter in the event of a catastrophic case failure. I had a major case blow up in my G30 264 Win Mag (The one you shot) from a major screw up (bore obstruction) and no gas made it to my face.

6. The best designed primary extraction cam I have seen.

7. The firing pin/cocking piece can quickly be removed from the bolt in the field without tools.
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8. Being a push feed action allows the G30 to have the spring-loaded plunger ejector that ejects the case sooner in the cycle than a blade style ejector. The problem with a spring loaded plunger is, very rarely, it can stick under harsh conditions or more commonly if you are running high pressure loads and shaved brass accumulates in the plunger bore. As a back up the G30 also has a blade style ejector that will kick the case out at the end of the stroke if the plunger ever fails.
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9. The claw extractor is an improved Sako style.

All this extra costs extra and the G30 is pretty pricey but when you consider the cost of the G30 vs other custom actions you are at least getting something other than a warmed over 700 with a shiny polish on it. (Said in jest and not meaning any disrespect for any one elses favorite action) laugh laugh

On the 20 MOA bases I saw a Weaver 20 MOA rail the other day in a gun store for 30 bucks for the Rem 700. It was aluminum so it will be pretty light weight for a 1 pc rail.

For me I like the Rem 700 for the economics and solid functionality but if I want a better action I need to actually get more than a tighter fitting bolt, smaller loading port and shiny finish. The G30 is darn sure better. At least in my opinion. grin


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#6179828 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: JohnBurns]  
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John what does the G30 run for bolt to raceway clearances?
And is the bolt and handle 1pc?

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#6179980 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: joelkdouglas]  
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Originally Posted by joelkdouglas
Of those two to select from (Rem or Sako), I would choose the 700.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=26367/Product/SHORT-ACTION-RECEIVER-BOLT

Another option, if you are blessed with bountiful resources.



Maybe not this particular action but I would definitely go with one of the Rem 700 clones of quality. It's just too easy to pass on, like Mr. Burns suggested.


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#6180393 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: Ackleyfan]  
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Originally Posted by Ackleyfan
John what does the G30 run for bolt to raceway clearances?
And is the bolt and handle 1pc?


Ackley,

I have never seen the prints so I donít know how much clearance is the spec.

I have 4 actions here and they each have about .003 to .004 clearance. All the bolts are within .001 so I would suspect that is the ball park. I donít want anything tighter in a hunting action.

The bolt body and head is one piece but the handle is brazed on the body.


John Burns

#6180947 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: JohnBurns]  
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Just so you know on the Defiance action the bolt body and handle are made from one block of material.
A heck of a lot of machining....
The bolt knob is screwed on.
Nice pictures John.

dave


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#6181134 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: dave7mm]  
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actually the best custom action is BAT machine. they machine the scope rail AND recoil lug into the action. this makes the action stiff as hell and you have the barrel shank tightened up against a recoil lug that WILL not move. you can pin a 700 lug or have some fancy way of attaching it, but its still not part of the action. not part of the action = not as gooooud. the bat action is a bank vault, it has tight tolerances but the spiral flutes are good at keeping it running. I have shot .5 moa at 500 yards with it with a wind that was gusting 5-6 mph left to right without adjusting my wind holds, vertical spread was 3/4". this is with a #5 barrel. only problem now is I want more bat machine actions.



#6181265 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: cumminscowboy]  
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I've never followed Bat very much.
Seen one with the built on rail and it was very nice.
You know how the bolt handles are attached?
Trying to order a Bat would be a very confusing ordeal.
There web sight is a confusing mess of alphabet soup abbreviations that dont mean dick to anyone.

dave


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#6181272 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: dave7mm]  
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I agree with the alphabet soup thing... so I just called and asked. Very helpful guys at BAT. In the end I did a little internet research, came up with a few different HR's available, and ordered one from Bruno, shipped the next day.

#6181340 - 02/15/12 Re: Which Action? [Re: JohnBurns]  
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John that's a great explanation and write-up on the McMillan G30. I didn't know all tose things about it.Thanks for taking the time to post up those pictures.Mmmm....

I did like your rifle real well.....oh, man this is getting complex.... grin




The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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