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I agree with with both Liliysdad and Uphiker. The military does make some good stuff. But it's because they expect equipment to meet a standard. I have walked a long way in military boots, and stayed very warm in a military sleep systems. That's not to say better options do not exist.

As far as the AR goes, I have had issues with the stock. My G.I. AR stock got some heavy use, but the only thing that needed replacing was the plastic stock. The buffer tube held up. Whether or not you need something that durable depends on what you're doing..

As far as having other issues with an AR: I had issues with the trigger pins on my G.I. AR. They were thrown out of speck, not allowing the trigger to reset.

Again, both of those issues were on my G.I. AR. Heavy use = broken parts. That statement holds true, with very few exceptions, no matter who made them. But generally speaking, the Military has put a lot of money into the R&D on these things. They prefer to purchase things once.

That being said, I agree with anyone who says: "evaluate what you'll be doing, and choose an appropriate tool." If industrial strength (IE: Mil Spec) isn't something you've ever worried about before, then maybe it's not something you need to worry about now..

I've seen one broken, a Bushmaster factory patrol rifle/carbean. The officer who brought it in to be fixed acted like it mattered to him... and he was just at the range doing drills.

It doesn't matter what anyone else uses to me but answer me this, if MIL SPEC is just a standard, why do so many companies take shortcuts and not measure up to the standard? Especially when they are now priced in the same ballpark as say a Colt.

Well, it IS a standard. But I would argue that it's a standard for a reason. That's all.

As for companies cutting corners, that's nothing new. A Business is in business to make money. Period.

one broken out of how many have you seen? We can find examples of broken mil spec guns too.

Unless its actual combat, I personally just don't see it being an issue. And i'm not easy with my weapons, I am not anal about cleaning or not nicking or scratching them, they are simply a tool to me and I'll lay em down in the dirt to do something else for a bit without a worry.

CAn you please tell me where I can buy a LMT 308 for $1400? Does Colt make a 308? I fail to see where $1400 for a LAR-8 is about the same money as a $2500 LMT or a colt rifle that isn't even made.

Sure, I'll help you out. Go back to the very top post, click on that link and you'll find its a 5.56/223 rifle only. No one was talking 308 etc.... Thats why you can't find what you are after, you are on the wrong subject. I do chit like that at times too.

Jeff

Seen Used? Hundreds. Maybe more? (So 1 in 100+) Those weren't all used by me of course..

Rost, I agree with you 100%. Simply put: even the "Mil Spec" GI ARs have issues related to hard use. For the gov't, that�s business as usual. For the rest of us, it's a balance of use vs cost.

thanks Jeff. I didn't click on the link when I started reading the thread, but I have still yet to see a Colt or LMT .223 within $500 of that RRA price. Usually to beat the $1000 price, you have to buy a S&W or some other plain jane AR.

http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=6920

They come in batches so if it's not in stock now, it'll be before too long.

I still don't understand why some wholesalers sell to the general public for the same price that they sell to dealers.

G&R is a dealer, not a wholesaler.

was pretty sure you could find Colt for 1000 here and there.......

BTW plain jane ARs have done in many a target, 4 legged, 2 legged, paper etc....

Their prices are within $20 of what the major wholesalers (Acusport, Ellett Bros, etc) charge for the same gun.

Grant ain't giving them away I can promise you that.

If you're a dealer then you might need to work a better deal but if you're going by dealer prices, most have a little cushion built in.

Bud's also had the same price a month or so ago...

I gotta agree. He's the best price around (from what I've seen), but I have to imagine that Colt stocking dealers get a bit more price break than your kitchen table variety.

They are on sale right now so there is some profit in there. I was not able to find the price on the site but I could get you one for $950 shipped and be happy.

What is the average accuracy you can expect from a 6920 at 100yds?

depends on the ammunition I would think. I get about an inch and a half with my 6720 using a 10 power scope with 65 grain Sierra game kings over 25 grains of varget in WW cases and fed 205 primers. Thats for 3, I don't think it would be good for more than that as its got a pencil barrel.