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Re: My FN Five-Seven exploded Eremicus #6213989 02/23/12
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 13,759 J JCMCUBIC Campfire Outfitter
JCMCUBIC Campfire Outfitter J Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 13,759	Originally Posted by Eremicus I was wondering what load he used because of another thread we saw not long ago with another blown 5.7. That guy was also using handloads. Handloads which are not listed in any of the loading data that I am aware of. Is this the same guy ? Was he using the same load or something like it ? Did the handloads damage the gun to where it came apart, even if it didn't come apart with his handloads ? How about the 30 rd., non stock magazine ? Can that affect the functioning of the gun ? I'm suspicious of this whole post. He's quite willing to tell us about it, but not the loads used. In spite of the fact that he has already admited to using handloads and admited to firing something like 70 rds. in 5-7 mins. On top of all this, he's posting this on the internet as he's claiming damages. E Settle down Beavis....

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Re: My FN Five-Seven exploded FAIR_CHASE #6214354 02/24/12
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,517 Dublin, Ohio C ColsPaul Campfire Outfitter
ColsPaul Campfire Outfitter C Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,517 Dublin, Ohio	Originally Posted by FAIR_CHASE Originally Posted by ColsPaul Good ad for them, if it can still work! contemplating one for my G20.. It appears to still work. I have another on a PMR30. Maybe I can get an endorsement deal from Burris? Surgery scheduled for Feb 27 with a hand surgeon. Will require removing nerve tissue from the lower calf area to repair the severed nerves to the thumb and outside palm area. Hope all goes well, Monday. Better than mine, I still can't use my left hand correctly and my middle finger is almost .5 inches shorter! "wanna hear God laugh? Tell Him you have complete control now!"

Re: My FN Five-Seven exploded Eremicus #6222858 02/26/12
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 28,196 Central CA Barkoff Campfire Ranger
Barkoff Campfire Ranger Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 28,196 Central CA	Originally Posted by Eremicus I was wondering what load he used because of another thread we saw not long ago with another blown 5.7. That guy was also using handloads. Handloads which are not listed in any of the loading data that I am aware of. Is this the same guy ? Was he using the same load or something like it ? Did the handloads damage the gun to where it came apart, even if it didn't come apart with his handloads ? How about the 30 rd., non stock magazine ? Can that affect the functioning of the gun ? I'm suspicious of this whole post. He's quite willing to tell us about it, but not the loads used. In spite of the fact that he has already admited to using handloads and admited to firing something like 70 rds. in 5-7 mins. On top of all this, he's posting this on the internet as he's claiming damages. E Did I misread? I thought he stated the firearm blew on the last round of his second magazine of factory ammo. I do tend to misread, maybe I need to go back again. To the OP, good luck with that left hand.

Re: My FN Five-Seven exploded deflave #6222960 02/26/12
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 18,005 Gone To Texas D DocRocket Campfire Ranger
DocRocket Campfire Ranger D Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 18,005 Gone To Texas	Originally Posted by deflave I think you're handling this whole situation like a standup guy, Fair Chase. Best of luck to you man. Travis I agree completely. Best of luck on your recovery, Fair Chase. "I'm gonna have to science the schit out of this." Mark Watney, Sol 59, Mars

Re: My FN Five-Seven exploded deflave #6222961 02/26/12
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 18,005 Gone To Texas D DocRocket Campfire Ranger
DocRocket Campfire Ranger D Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 18,005 Gone To Texas	Originally Posted by deflave Originally Posted by Eremicus Oh ? And why is that ? Don't you want us to know what to avoid ? E He just did! From the looks of that picture I'd avoid the 5.7X28! Travis Oh, man. That was soooo mean! "I'm gonna have to science the schit out of this." Mark Watney, Sol 59, Mars

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Re: My FN Five-Seven exploded FAIR_CHASE #6224548 02/26/12
Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 18,881 Placerville,CA,USA E Eremicus Campfire Ranger
Eremicus Campfire Ranger E Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 18,881 Placerville,CA,USA	No, Fair Chase. I'm asking my questions on a public forum where you started this discussion. You answer only those questions which suit you, but not all of them. Some you say you'll answer, but only in a PM. How come ? Why did you tell us about this incident at all ? When I asked for the details of your handloads, which may help the rest of us avoid such a problem, you refuse to give us that information. Again, no reason given. And then you can't understand why I'm suspicious of your motives. I wish you a full recovery from your inuries. E

Re: My FN Five-Seven exploded Eremicus #6225236 02/26/12
Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,934 MONTANA FAIR_CHASE OP Campfire Regular
OP FAIR_CHASE Campfire Regular Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,934 MONTANA	Originally Posted by Eremicus No, Fair Chase. I'm asking my questions on a public forum where you started this discussion. You answer only those questions which suit you, but not all of them. Some you say you'll answer, but only in a PM. How come ? Why did you tell us about this incident at all ? When I asked for the details of your handloads, which may help the rest of us avoid such a problem, you refuse to give us that information. Again, no reason given. And then you can't understand why I'm suspicious of your motives. I wish you a full recovery from your inuries. E You have issues.

Re: My FN Five-Seven exploded Eremicus #6225757 02/26/12
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 28,196 Central CA Barkoff Campfire Ranger
Barkoff Campfire Ranger Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 28,196 Central CA	Originally Posted by Eremicus No, Fair Chase. I'm asking my questions on a public forum where you started this discussion. You answer only those questions which suit you, but not all of them. Some you say you'll answer, but only in a PM. How come ? Why did you tell us about this incident at all ? When I asked for the details of your handloads, which may help the rest of us avoid such a problem, you refuse to give us that information. Again, no reason given. And then you can't understand why I'm suspicious of your motives. I wish you a full recovery from your inuries. E Wow, Perry Frigging Mason.

Re: My FN Five-Seven exploded Eremicus #6226040 02/26/12
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 18,005 Gone To Texas D DocRocket Campfire Ranger
DocRocket Campfire Ranger D Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 18,005 Gone To Texas	Originally Posted by Eremicus When I asked for the details of your handloads, which may help the rest of us avoid such a problem.... E Apparently you have a reading comprehension problem. He was using FACTORY AMMO when the pistol kaboomed, dood. Re-read the original post and the subsequent posts on pages 1 and 2 of this thread. On second thought, don't bother. If you didn't get it the first time... You apparently reallyreallyREALLY want to keep reloading for this round and this pistol, even though it scares the bejabbers out of you to do so. "I'm gonna have to science the schit out of this." Mark Watney, Sol 59, Mars

Re: My FN Five-Seven exploded DocRocket #6226132 02/26/12
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger
tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good!	Regardless of the virtues (or demons) of the cartridge, it's kind of scary the gun can shatter so violently when a case blows. "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

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Re: My FN Five-Seven exploded tex_n_cal #6226451 02/27/12
Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 7,920 Rochester, N.H. USA R RJM Campfire Outfitter
RJM Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 7,920 Rochester, N.H. USA	Anyone know the standard operating pressure of the 5.7...being a bottle neck rifle case much like a .221 Fireball it has to be well above most standard handgun cartridges. I've been present when two Glock 9mm went KaBoom but neither caused any damage to the gun or shooter. A friend with a .40 split the frame causing some cuts on his hands. Glock replaced the gun no questions asked. I've blown the webs on 3 Supers over the years but the worst thing that happened was cracked grips panels.... Bob Some interesting information... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven http://www.fivesevenforum.com/archive/index.php_f-11.html http://www.shootingtimes.com/2011/08/31/longgun_reviews_st_fnsfirepower_200811/ If you can not deal with reality, reality will deal with you....

Re: My FN Five-Seven exploded DocRocket #6226751 02/27/12
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida deflave Campfire Sage
deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida	Originally Posted by DocRocket Originally Posted by deflave Originally Posted by Eremicus Oh ? And why is that ? Don't you want us to know what to avoid ? E He just did! From the looks of that picture I'd avoid the 5.7X28! Travis Oh, man. That was soooo mean! Note the smiley. I'm still buying one. Travis Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: My FN Five-Seven exploded deflave #6226784 02/27/12
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 18,005 Gone To Texas D DocRocket Campfire Ranger
DocRocket Campfire Ranger D Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 18,005 Gone To Texas	Fine. Be that guy. Just don't blow your hand up, ya goober. "I'm gonna have to science the schit out of this." Mark Watney, Sol 59, Mars

Re: My FN Five-Seven exploded DocRocket #6226803 02/27/12
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida deflave Campfire Sage
deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida	I've lived this long being "that guy". I shall continue to march sir. Although, that pistol has to be one of the worst looking KB's I've ever seen. Travis Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: My FN Five-Seven exploded deflave #6226816 02/27/12
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 18,005 Gone To Texas D DocRocket Campfire Ranger
DocRocket Campfire Ranger D Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 18,005 Gone To Texas	Well, whaddya expect when you shoot a round that generates rifle-type pressures in a pistol-type frame/chamber? Yeesh!! "I'm gonna have to science the schit out of this." Mark Watney, Sol 59, Mars

Re: My FN Five-Seven exploded DocRocket #6227569 02/27/12
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,589 WA State the other WA W7ACT Campfire Outfitter
W7ACT Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,589 WA State the other WA	Good luck on the surgery today. I hope it all works out and you regain full use of your left hand. de 73's Archie - W7ACT

Re: My FN Five-Seven exploded DocRocket #6227608 02/27/12
Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 18,881 Placerville,CA,USA E Eremicus Campfire Ranger
Eremicus Campfire Ranger E Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 18,881 Placerville,CA,USA	Yes, Doc, I read what he claimed, i.e. that the gun came apart with a factory round. I asked about the handloads he also mentioned using the same day. For some reason, he refuses to tell us what those handloads were. E

Re: My FN Five-Seven exploded RJM #6227634 02/27/12
Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 18,881 Placerville,CA,USA E Eremicus Campfire Ranger
Eremicus Campfire Ranger E Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 18,881 Placerville,CA,USA	Operating pressues for the 5.7 FN roiund are in the 45,000 psi range. Which is higher than any other standard semi auto round. The reloading data I've seen indicates it's a very critical round to hand load for. The only other known instances of this gun coming apart were both with handloaded ammo. This makes three guns out of many thousands that have had no problems. This guy says that it came apart with factory ammo, but also says he was using handloads a few minutes prior. Considering the nature of this round, I was curious as to what his handloads were. Could they have weakend the gun if they were too hot ? Even well made rifles have had this problem, let alone handguns. That's why we have the proof testing standards and procedures. No, I don't know how that is done with this pistol. Anybody know ? E

Re: My FN Five-Seven exploded Eremicus #6227759 02/27/12
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida deflave Campfire Sage
deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida	Yeah, and he said he won't answer publicly until everything is sorted out. We can read. I for one appreciate the post, and I don't blame him one bit for not posting any technical info. Travis

Re: My FN Five-Seven exploded deflave #6227844 02/27/12
Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 18,881 Placerville,CA,USA E Eremicus Campfire Ranger
Eremicus Campfire Ranger E Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 18,881 Placerville,CA,USA	You appreciate the post ? Why ? I find it raising questions about the issue of the gun's safety by implying that it's will blow up with factory ammo. However, there seem to be other factors involved. But we can't be sure because he won't tell us the rest of the story. If he thinks by with holding any more information, he will not risk loosing his claim(s) for damages, it's too late for that. E

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