Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Custom Rifles & Wildcats 25/08 and or 270/08 comments???

Just a wondering if any of you out in wildcat land have any experience and or comments about either of these?
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<br>Dog

Mark I passed on an E-Mail that another board member sent me once when I asked about a .270-08.
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<br>Mike

Reloading data on the 25/08 or 25 Souper is in the A-Square reloading manual.

Mark,I think that the 308 based wildcats are a better fit for a 700 short action than the 284 Win case.The 284 case is a bastard size thats to long for a short action and to short for a long action.The 270/308 was one of Ackleys top picks for the 270 bore size.
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Guys - I would be inerested in any info on the 270/308 Ackley Improved. Heck maybe someone even has dies etc. that they would like to sell..... please let me know.

I'd like to know if the little guy can out perform the 270 Win.....

Maybe a person has to got to a 270/284 norma.

thoughts.....

JJP2:

A 308 case AI'd or a 284 case would not outperform an '06 case regardless of bore size. The '06 case holds more powder than either. Load all three options to the same pressure levels and the '06 based round wins every time. The 308 AI vs. the 284 would be close with a slight edge going to the 284. (not enough to notice).

JimF

I have a 25 Souper in a rechambered Ruger 77 RSI and think highly of the round. For me, it has been a better short action/short barrel option than the 250-3000 or 250AI.

I have several 284 and 284 based wildcats, mostly built on short action Remingtons, and have not noticed any trouble combining a short action and the 284 case. Since I mostly hunt deer, coyotes, and pdogs, I don't need bullets that are long or heavy for their diameter. If I did need long or heavy bullets, I'd probably look for a different case in a long action. For me, barrel length has been a more important criteria and all of my 284s have barrels that are 22" or longer.

Jeff

I've thought of doing the .270-08 AI, also. I've got two boxes of .277 bullets, and nothing to shoot them out of. That's as good a reason as any I can think of to build a new rifle. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> But then again, I've got this 721 pre-SUCKS donor sitting around. I should probably just go with a .270.

John

Hey Jeff

I recently purchased a 16" 25 Souper barrel for my Competitor single shot pistol.....I'm just starting to work with it an was wondering if you could point me towards some load data? I'm planning to use 100 grain Ballistic Tips, haven't decided which powder to start with. Any help would be much appreciated! PM me if you don't want to post here. Thanks, Mark

Ackley seemed to feel it was very similar in performance to the 270 Win. For a short action, it would be the way to go. Assuming you are worried about weight and size. I have a 270 Win and with a 22 inch barrel, I am not impressed.

JJP2:

I absolutely agree that for a short action that would be the obvious choice. However it simply will not equal or outperform the larger case. The ballistic magic that is occasionally attributed to case design has yet to hold up to the scrutiny of chronographing or presuure testing.

Cases in point being the current crop of assorted short mags. While they perform well, they do not equal their longer, larger brethren. The fancy marketing claims by both RP and WW were substantiated (by them) using ballistic shenanigans such as differing bullet designs and especially high pressures. Independant testing by outside sources has shown fine performance but not equal to the larger cases.

Anybody can prove anything if they don't use known or finite pressure limits. Parker Ackley was not known for conservative loading practices when proving out his designs. When Parker used the terms "about the same" (which he did quite a bit) he was really using "ballpark" figures.

JimF

How does the 25-08 compare to the 257 imp? I have a 257 imp on a model 70 short action. I always thought the 25-08 should be commercialized, makes sense as it bridges the gap from 243 - 260.

No disrespect intended, but with a difference in bullet diameter of 0.007", how much does a 25 Souper differ from a 260?



From where I sit, that isn't much of a gap between the 243 and 260, certainly not a gap that is wide enough to warrant filling with another redundant cartridge. The only 2 short action 25 caliber wildcats that I can see any potential market for are the 25 WSM/SARUM or 25-284.



Jeff

no offense taken but...I really do not see the point of the 260, I tried it in 260 rem, 6.5x55, 6.5-06 and 264 win mag, all custom barrels (except the mag) and really concluded that that 270 beats them all. If I need a short action, then I would go with the 7mm-08. Now, I do admit I am a fan of the 257 cal so I am a bit biased. With that said, the 25-08 could replace the 243 and 260. with bullets from 75-120 gr, what more could you need. the 243 is limited to the 105 gr bullet on the high end and if you need more than 120 grains, go to the 7mm-08 or 270 and skip the 260. if you want a varmint rifle, skip the 243 and go to a 223 cal. not knocking the 243 or 260 but the 25-08 simply makes more sense. this is why my young boys shoot a 250-3000 with 115 partitions, 'cause it has it all over the 243. I will move them up to the 257 roberts when the are ready and after that, its up to them. as much as I like my 270 and 7mm rem mag, if my various 257 cal rifles are not enough gun, I seem to grab the 300 mag and skip the others. if I am shooting in excess of 200 yards, I want a 30 cal. I hunt in thick clear cut regrowth and I want the deer down pronto. too hard to find them in briars over your head. I have hunted in the west where you can see for miles and watching one run off a hundred yards or so is no big deal. for me, it could me a lost deer, good blood trail or not. I would love for someone like a Boddington to build a 25-08 and carry it all over the world and write about it. that cartridge would be a real improvement over what is currently available, even better than the new 25wssm (too short and fat for a magazine "hunting rifle". to all of the 260 rem fans, no disrespect for your cartridge, I know first hand it works fine.

I guess its just different strokes for different folks. There isn't much size difference from a 270 win to a 280 either, but I'll bet someone would be happy with one over the other.

I personally like the 6.5mm's over the 257's. I have a M70 that is a 25 Souper. Unfortunately the barrel is a POS and I can't tell if I really like the Cartridges performance.

And to think that I used to be perfectly happy with a boring 30-06, and a 308, and a 223. They did and will do anything that I need them too. Oh don't want to forget my pump 870, 12 ga either.

IF the 25 Souper had been introduced in 195?, instead of the 243, there wouldn't have been any REAL reason for either the 243 or 260. Having shot a little game and a lot of varmints with all 3, I really can't tell any difference in field performance between them IF you put the right bullet in the right place. But like Mule Deer said of the 6.5 Rem Mag, the manufacturers are always looking for something new to tempt the gun nuts into spending their $$.

Jeff

IMO, When discussing these 25's, 26's, & 27's we are really becoming the "camfire hairsplitting" society. They will all do similar things. All can be dual purpose, med game-varmint calibers. It really comes down to your application.

The 25's clearly offer an edge in varmint weight bullets while going up as far as 120 gr. for deer or bigger.

The 26's start to give up some of the lighter weight varmint bullets in favor of 140 or even 160's for bigger game.

The 27-28's make a clear sacrifice in the lightest weight offerings, but have far more choices in the 150-175 gr. range.

Comes down to your priorities.............

JimF

Hey mark

Why???

BB

A point that I recently discovered and found interesting is that the 270 is really a true 7mm at .277" and the 7mm is really larger than a true 7mm at .284". I guess this comes down to the europeans measuring the bore and not the bullet/lands. I sorted all this out when I was a 6.5 fan and was trying to figure where the .277 diameter came from. after acquiring some 34 rcbs dies, I finally sold all of my 6.5s (six of them) and settled on the 270 for my basic stuff. If the manufacturers really want to sell us new rifles, they need to offer at least some of them in interesting calibers. I know they are doing that with the short mags and super shorts but I am really thinking about the new rem classic bdl. I would consider buying one but the cartridges are all ho-hum offerings. same thing with winchesters basic offerings. I would suggest offering at least one unique cartridge with each product line, as rem does with their classic. the 300 savage is not ground breaking but is reason enough to buy another rifle, just for fun.

Well thanks guys.........

I can't recall but did Ackly get any performance improvements from the 270WIN AI?

If I stick to a standard long action, I'd like to get the velocities of the 270 Weatherby without going to the belt.

Any recommendations?