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I got an extra chuckle out of your comment and how much 'weight' you assign to the kids presumed innocence. Especially since it comes from an attorney...you'd be singin' a different tune if that family had you on retainer.

Have we done away with the premise of innocent until proven guilty? I suppose execute and determine guilt later works for some of the brainless bigots.

Chasing down someone that hasn't been seen or even accused of doing anything wrong then killing them is more than a bit suspect to rational thinking people not clouded by bigotry and racism.ymmv

It is pure ignorance to speculate based on what you can find to read about this or based on the Democratic Rabble Rousing machine.

I wish the best for this man who wants to live in a safe neighborhood, and I suspect the police made the right decission. I have seen the Federal Police state railroad people during my time at Pelican Bay State Prison, the truth won't stop themin their witch hunt, I am sure destroying the stand your ground law is their real purpose.

Have you listened to the 911 tapes siskiyou? They aren't part of the democrat rabble rousing machine too, are they?

Well let me throw a hypothetical at you.

You see a guy breaking into your car or your neighbors car. You yell at him and he runs off, would it be absolutely wrong to chase after him? If you caught up to him and he chose to attack you at that point, could you then percieve a situation possibly warranting deadly self defense? Just because one gives chase does not mean he has forfeited his right to self defense does it?

I'm not making a case for guilt or innocence for this particular case, but in general, just because someone on the other end of a phone (LEO or whoever) instructs one to do something, does not automatically make doing otherwise illegal or wrong.

I guess Hispanics can be white?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/03/19/Sharpton-Martin-Media

If your Hispanic, work hard, become wealthy and move to a gated community you suddenly become white to the msm.

Baroff---If the KID doesn't have a weapon why would lethal force be justified?

Just because you chased him and got tuckered from the chase?

None of your hypothetical applies in this case other than a guy chased a young kid and killed him. PERHAPS if he'd witnessed a crime being committed and was in reasonable fear for his life but none of that happened.

Just a thought, If I as a white man was chased down and murdered in a black community, would the FBI even answer the phone? Would they have even the slightest interest?

I don't know, not a lawyer. I suppose that would be for a jury to decide.

I'm saying Zimmerman was not merely standing his ground, he went in pursuit. Did the kid break any laws? I don't know, don't have the facts. Did Zimmerman have any legal authority to detain the kid? I don't know that either, but I doubt it. How did it turn into a lethal force situation? I don't know. Schitt went downhill somewhere along the line. I suppose a jury will have to listen to the case, and decide.

Castle doctrine don't follow you in pursuit.

Would it be absolutely wrong? I'd say it would be situational dependant. It may open you up for some liabilities though if someone gets hurt or killed.

There is no self-defense when you are the aggressor. He followed the kid and tried to keep him from leaving. They struggled, the kid fought back and he killed him.

It's a shame. Seems by all accounts he was a good kid...

Tragedy!

Horrible

Certainly can, especially if they're originally from Cuba, many are 100 percent Spaniard.

One thing I have always wondered, are Basque-Americans considered Hispanic?

this has been going around for a few weeks now, and none of it sounds good for the shooter. i do not know all the details but hope that the truth prevails and those responsible meet justice.

Yes, they are, and are considered as such by affirmative action hiring. It's been my experience that Basque-Americans, in general, are somewhat bemused by this. I can't think of a more independent group that could care less personally about affirmative action.

I saw a news report this evening. I heard mention that is was a gated community, but there were way too many details missing from the report for one to even make a guess as to what transpired. Maybe you close in folks have more details.

In that scenario in FL, you would be classed as the aggressor and arrested. We have "Castle Doctrine and Stand your ground" but once you are the initiator of the disturbance you are outside the law.

Don't worry, I got tripped up on this too and I've been living and working in a 90% American Mexican setting for more'n twenty years

The confusion comes because in many if not most settings, here in America we use the term "Hispanic" as if it WERE a "race", even to the extent of having scholarships specifically for Hispanics.

Interesting thing is, I've worked with a kid who is the daughter of Spanish parents. She was adamant that she was "White" and not "Hispanic" in the American sense, even to the extent of not applying for such scholarships where she might have gotten money. Her parents were quite emphatic about this too, it seems the ORIGINAL Hispanics set themselves apart.

No biggie, when I was a kid in England we thought we were better than them OTHER folks who lived on the next street over, us being marginally less poor than them

As for the rest of it, I was imagining the shooter in this case to be an older White guy, of the sort that does neighborhood watches in gated communities. Now it turns out that he weren't, and was a much younger man as well.

I expect this is gonna throw Jesse and Al for a loop


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