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No Intelligence Allowed - Documentary

The documentary explains why a lot of scientists wouldn't admit believing in intelligent design. They want to keep their jobs.

It's not science against religion in my way of thinking. It's the religion of secular humanism opposed to other religions. Although, of late, it seems there's been a lot of sympathy towards muslims, admittedly.

Regardless, the funding of sciences in support of the secular humanist's agenda will always be first and foremost. See the documentary.

Ironic to hear so many talk about evidence and facts and what-not, denying the enormous amount of faith required to believe the big bang followed by goo to you by way of the zoo. I mean just the first step of the development of primordial soup out of molten rock, not to mention water, which is somewhat rare, if I recall correctly is nothing short of a miracle. Try it. Mix water and ground up igneous rock and make goo. Then that goo forms bacteria depending on the story, with complex nucleic acids that randomly ordered to devise a simple single-celled organism, called life.

You think lesser of Christians believing in scientific creationism because we go by faith believing in a Creator? I think I'm the one with the lesser faith in actuality. I applaud you for your great faith to base your beliefs on that version of the origin of life.

BTW, not denying the existence of the phenomenon of gravity as a scientific law, but has anyone been able to go beyond just speculation to explain why it exists?

Guilty because you never served, azzhole? You sound like you know as much about the military as you do about science. Since you brought it up, I was a Green Beret for 17yr.

Also, intelligent design is contradicted by facts that are very obvious to any biological scientist. Every creature appears to be the product of a series of makeshift adaptations and re-adaptations, not the product of a design for a specific purpose. The human spine, for example, hooks up to the pelvis as would be appropriate for a quadruped, thus requiring a radical recurve to permit standing upright, resulting in a very injury-prone spine structure for a biped. That's because evolution isn't about perfect solutions. Adequate solutions will do. The human body is filled with similar observable characteristics pointing to adaptation after adaptation, rather than intelligent design.

Are you a biologist?

Your generic chain contains all the info. both of your parents learned or knew up to the time of your conception. even birds and other animals pass on things they learned for thousands of years to the time they were made, how else would a weaver bird be able to build a nest. his parents certenly diden't show him/her.

Any R.P.T. will tell you that is straight BS. Another "biologist" making schit up as they go.

Or anyone who's made a study of basic biology. Better?

I majored in biology before engineering.
I disagree with your assessment.

Your qualification of "appears to be" is where I agree, on the surface. But looking further, each creature is pretty much it's own. Classifications of flora and fauna tend to both attempt to create a chain from "simplest" to more complex forms of life and segregate the various classifications. However, the gaps segregating the classifications, particularly in the fossil record is what spawned the theory of macro-mutant theory of evolution, IIRC. Again, it requires great faith, IMO.

You gotta be kidding. Just gotta. No scientist believes in ID simply because it is not science. It's a joke. And you don't get it.

Why do ostriches have wings? Wouldn't arms and hands be more useful?

Hardly.

No, YOU brought it up! You injected your "combat arms experience" into a thread about creationism vs. evolution...WTF? You've described your heroic military exploits and expertise ever since you came to this board, ad nauseum. You're a joke...a legend in your own mind.

"If you have to tell people you are, you aren�t." - Margaret Thatcher

and negros learned to walk upright and stop dragging their knuckles.

They are degrading as a race, now.

Thanks to our Obamma care.

You didn't watch the documentary either, I take it.

Guess so...and your point...besides questioning God, in whom you do believe, right?

Uh oh.

I mentioned it because your moronic bio-buddy had obviously never conducted a patrol and been instructed to "take-a-knee". You made your inane accusation that I'm some sort or poser. I have a DD214 that backs up every service claim I've ever made.

Poser or not, I like your debating style. Hardly germane but entertaining if not plain old Blond.

My point is that God didn't design the ostrich. He created the laws according to which the ostrich came into existence, not to mention the basic chemistry from which it was made, but assigned the job of flora and fauna generation to the earth and the waters (i.e., nature), as clearly indicated in Genesis. Now, God is the author of nature, so in this sense he's the author also of all the flora and fauna, just not the designer of them as individual species. He is, however, the designer of the system according to which they arose and, being omniscient, has never been surprised by the course of evolution. From the moment he set the universe in motion, for example, he knew everything about each of us as we are today, including our anatomy, etc.

Your all the way up to the ostrich, and I'd still like to hear the answer to how the first living cell originated.

Couldn't tell ya. The fossil record must show how it came to be, right...sorry, probably not. Ironically, all of the ostrich-like birds in the fossil record, look like some sort of form of the ostrich though. Taxonomy is not clear cut on the ostrich though. You'll have to ask a palientologist why that is.

I still don't think it can be proven either way, designed or otherwise.

At what point did sin enter? How did sin enter? What was the result of sin? Do we need a Saviour?

"Therefore, just as thorugh one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men," Romans 5:12


"For since by man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive." 1 Corinthians 15:21-22