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i don't think they would be to a basque

Fat chance!!

What ya wanta do, take all the spirit out of it??

Carry on....

Pot-kettle-black. Clearly, you've already determined guilt since you were there and saw it all.

A kid gets shot, and the issue isn't a kid getting shot, but whether or not the shooter is a racist or not. GMAFB

Around here they're considered Merino-Americans...


I know...that was Baaaaahh...baaaaahhhh...baaaahhhhhD

Actually, considering the general GRIM tone tonight, I'd say that was Superb !

GTC

Nah, he was just trying to pull the wool over your eyes...

So far I have pretty much stayed away from this issue online and by actual word as I did not know a lot of the facts of the issue.
I can more than understand people wanting a full investigation to get this thing settled.
However in the last few days it has become absolutely clear to me this has now become a political agenda and is gaining a lot of traction by black activist,anti gun and anti NRA types,and there is a swell of lynch mob attitudes being directed at Zimmerman who may or may not be guilty of homicide.
Point in case.
Last night driving home I tuned into NPR(keep your enemies close) and just happened to listen to a Congressperson that supposedly represents that area.
Her name was Corrine Brown.
This woman had incrdedibly poor grammar and was quite convinced this was a hate crime based on the fact that Zimmerman followed this guy,and of course he's white.
Of course the NPR host did not question this assertion or even press this Congressperson to put forth valid reasons for this charge,which carries a lot of legal weight for the Feds.
Also this so called representative is on the band wagon like so many others in the news media that are claiming the police told him not to persue this guy when in fact it was nothing more than a low paid 911 operator instructing him who Zimmerman was under no obligation legally to follow that persons instructions.
I dont know if this guy murdered this kid or not but it's quite clear even if this guy did this in self defense these people will still want him sent to prison.
Get ready as this has now become the lefts new run on guns,concealed carry,Castle Doctrine laws,and Stand your ground laws.
Incoming!!

I thought that right was in the Ten Commandments. I could be wrong.

I don't care if the anti-gun contingent are using this as an assault on the castle doctrine or not.

There is simple way to nullify that: Do what is right and cut this man loose.

If even half of what has been made public is correct this Zimmerman fellow needs to swing. In no way does what he did qualify for self defense or pity from the Pro 2nd Amendment segment. He pursued a young man who was on his way home, apparently, from a trip to the convenience store. Yakking on the phone to his girlfriend. Some self appointed Mall Ninja type runs him down, causes a confrontation, and then pulls out a gun and shoots him?

And I'm supposed to defend this loser because I own and possess a gun?

There may indeed be more to the story. But for me to have one ounce of empathy for Zimmerman there is going to have to be more. Much more. At this point of the process he has given the world not one iota of evidence that he is anything more than a self important jackass whose own bullying caused the death of another man.

Will

I don't think there is MUCH empathy for this guy at least not from my overall impression. The problem is with part of what you say as in "half of what has been said." There are always two sides to every story and while I agree it looks BAD and this guy should swing-ON WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED, the fact remains the police did not arrest him and thus we should wait for all the facts to come out. As to your comment you are supposed to defend this loser because you own a gun I don't think applies. The concern is that this ONE incident if indeed turns out the be the guy acted improperly should not be used as a singular issue to abrogate the Castle Doctrine. If he is found guilty of wrongdoing, the doctrine does not apply, therefore any efforts mounted to get rid of it are invalid.

100% spot on Penguin! It confounds me that anyone would take Zimmermans side but some see it as a Black and White issue (literally and figuratively) which is a dam shame.

And of course you are saying this without even knowing all the facts.
Right.
I guess the police did not arrest him because he's a white guy.
I certainly am not siding with Zimmerman but it's pretty plain to me a lot of people want his head without knowing all the facts.

The guy will get his chance at trial to tell his side of the story, but from what we know right now, it doesn't look good for him.

They may indeed want his head without the facts.

But he ain't getting any sympathy from me without providing some facts and a compelling reason for acting as he did. Our default setting as responsible gun owners should not be to jump in and defend someone just because he owns a gun and shot someone in an altercation.

The motives and reasons of those who are after this guys hide should have no bearing on our actions. None. And the facts on the ground don't give us anything to lay hands on. Zimmerman will have to provide such facts, assuming he can, before we should defend him. And just having another story is not good enough. We know for a fact he pursued an unarmed man down and then in the ensuing confrontation shot and killed him. There will have to be some pretty hefty reasons for acting as he did.

Until he provides some believable evidence to the contrary I maintain that he is on his own.

Will

Texashunter--- My opinion is based upon what I know from reading and listening and regardless of how you feel I'm allowed my opinion.

I also have a dam good track record of seeing that if the majority of Texans feel a certain way I'll choose the opposite and almost always am correct.

There are approximately 50 murders a day in this country. Not homocides...murders. This one is truly mundane compared to most. What's the difference?

Since the terms pursue and also I have seen else where chased is being used since Zimmerman was originally in his vehicle I guess he had a legal right to drive down a public street.
I will say getting out of his vehicle was not smart.
And that fact might ultimately do him in.
But does anyone here know that after getting out of his vehicle that he pursued or chased this kid??
Or at that point after getting out of the vehicle did he engage the kid in a questioning conversation??

Unbelievable. I guess I should have shot everyone that provoked a fight with me in grade school and High school . Damn them all. 911 operator told him not to pursue him, he ignored that. He pursues the kid and harasses him into a fight. He then shoots the kid because he got punched in the nose? He threatened him with his bag of skittles ? Those are the facts and Zimmerman should give his revolver a blow job because that is what he deserves. Forget the black/white issue for a second, forget the handgun issue and use common sense.