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Oh legless one. Give it a rest. You are out of excuses and never had a clue of what you were talking about from the vary being.

If one day, you actually read something, even Steven J. for instance, it might help you immensely.

But now that we have you driven into a corner, why not just be quiet?


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Originally Posted by BrentD
Oh legless one. Give it a rest. You are out of excuses and never had a clue of what you were talking about from the vary being.

If one day, you actually read something, even Steven J. for instance, it might help you immensely.

But now that we have you driven into a corner, why not just be quiet?


Oh, I've got good legs dickweed. Did a whole bunch of bodyweight front squats last night. I ain't wastin' time reading SJ's silly schit, and be quiet, just because you asked? Not likely. An objective perusal of this thread will show about a dozen unanswered questions by you darwinian dolts for every one not answered by the those who dare to question your sacred "texts".

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Originally Posted by Take_a_knee
Oh, I've got good legs dickweed.


Not in this argument you don't. You're as legless as the descendent of that lizard that evolved into a snake.


Keep trying, or better and smarter, just be quiet and maybe even learn (no, not possible I suppose).


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Oh, I've got good legs dickweed.


Not in this argument you don't. You're as legless as the descendent of that lizard that evolved into a snake.



Gotta link to that fossil? Of course not.

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If a mature tomato plant can have more usable energy than the seed it grew from, why should anyone expect that the next generation of tomatoes can't have more usable energy still?


Is that what your science has shown you? Why then, since tomato have been around for thousands of years are we using them for explosives?

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Snowflakes, sand dunes, tornadoes, stalactites, graded river beds, and lightning are just a few examples of order coming from disorder in nature; none require an intelligent program to achieve that order.


Again your world view is showing. You are assuming there is not God directing these things. How does one side of a snowflake know what the other side of the snowflake is doing? I am thinking radially here.

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If order from disorder is supposed to violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics, why is it seen so often in nature?


YOu see tornadoes and lightning as examples of order? I supose Japan had a couple of fantastic orders at the end of WW2, then didn't it?

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Agreed. I have heard estimates (more like wild guesses) that 98% of all species that ever lived are now extinct. It would be mighty crowded if they weren't. If a species died out without leaving descendents its genome is lost. Many, now extinct, species left decendents and their evolved genome caries on. Every time a new individual is sprouted, hatched or born its genome is a variation of that of its parents, so variations appear just as fast as they disappear.


This is predicted by the creation/curse model. It certainly is contrary to the evolution concept of order from disorder.

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Many breaks in the fossil record are real.


Only evolutionists argue against this point.

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(4) The history of life is more adequately represented by a picture of �punctuated equilibria� than by the notion of phyletic gradualism. The history of evolution is not one of stately unfolding, but a story of homeostatic equilibria, disturbed only �rarely� (i.e., rather often in the fullness of time) by rapid and episodic events of speciation".
From the final paragraph: "The norm for a species or, by extension, a community is stability. Speciation is a rare and difficult event that punctuates a system in homeostatic equilibrium. That so uncommon and event should have produced such a wondrous array of living and fossil forms can only give strength to an old idea: paleontology deals with a phenomenon that belongs to it alone among the evolutionary sciences and that enlightens all its conclusions�time".


"Speciation is a rare and difficult event that punctuates a system in homeostatic equilibrium." Homeostatic equilibrium is what creation predicts. But once the curse was introduced extinction came into play.

For the rest of you quote: Time is not the hero. If the ability is not present the desired results will not happen.


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Didn't the gradual disappearance of legs via mutation aid the various species of snakes in taking full survival advantage of their various niches? Same could be said for the loss of whale legs via the same process.


Where are the intremediates?


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In the fossil record. And some still exist. Look around


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The following are from a lecture I attended. My photographic skill rivals my spelling, but yo will get the point. slide number eight is particularly telling since the scientist is quoted often by our .com friends supporting evolution.

The last one wouldn't post. If you click on it you will get quite a suprise. They found the fossils over a fifteen kilometer ares. Is that the best evolution paleontolgests can do?


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Didn't the gradual disappearance of legs via mutation aid the various species of snakes in taking full survival advantage of their various niches? Same could be said for the loss of whale legs via the same process.


Where are the intremediates?
There are a few fossilized Cretaceous snakes with tiny legs. Not many, because snakes don't tend to fossilize well, but there are a few.

But you don't need the fossils, as certain strains of living lizards show the same pattern that the snake's ancestors progressed through. I'm speaking of skinks, many of whom have very tiny legs, and some have no visible limbs at all.

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This skink has almost completely lost its legs:

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Hawk.

Why do you reject the notion that the fossils were formed in mud under extreme pressure due to a global flood?



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Originally Posted by Steven_CO
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Why do you reject the notion that the fossils were formed in mud under extreme pressure due to a global flood?

Because any specialist in flood geology recognizes such notions as laughable. Even before Darwin, devoutly Christian flood geologists laughed at such notions when they were proposed. They didn't believe in evolution either, but proposed instead that there were earlier creations followed by earlier floods (not mentioned in the Bible) that must explain all that ancient fauna found in ancient rocks. Of course, today, the evidence for evolution as an explanation for it is overwhelming. But the point is that even pre-Darwinian, and devoutly Christian, flood geologists thought your explanation completely ridiculous.

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Do you believe there was a flood?


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Originally Posted by Steven_CO
Do you believe there was a flood?
Yes, but not literally world-wide.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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Do you believe there was a flood?
Yes, but not literally world-wide.


So, then not all humans today would have necessarily descended from Adam and Eve. Some could have escaped?


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Originally Posted by Steven_CO
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Do you believe there was a flood?
Yes, but not literally world-wide.


So, then not all humans today would have necessarily descended from Adam and Eve. Some could have escaped?
All humans at the time of Noah descended from Adam and Eve.

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Why is that? God wiped out all of the ancestors of Adam that had no spirit...check that soul?



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Originally Posted by carbon12
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Who said a turtle hatched a bird? No one except an idiot would say that an certainly no evolutionary biologist ever did. Why do you keep making up nonsense?
Isn't that what Gould or Goldsmith postulated? Regardless, if I came from an ape, I wouldn't loose any sleep over it.


I was sort of thinking along those lines and how tons of resources and $$ are totally squandered in this pursuit of hoping to find mom & dad.

That money could go for something....like maybe education or something.

Wait a minute...still squandering in today's schools.

Maybe feed the poor then.








Not the Christian thing to think but wouldn't feeding the poor will only promote and support poorness?


Herbert, Herbert Spencer is that you???


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Originally Posted by Steven_CO
Why is that? God wiped out all of the ancestors of Adam that had no spirit...check that soul?

I don't recall that in the Bible.

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Originally Posted by Steven_CO
Hawk.

Why do you reject the notion that the fossils were formed in mud under extreme pressure due to a global flood?


If there was a global flood the cave paintings at Chauvet 32,000 BP, Lascaux 17,000 BP and the carvings and artifacts at Le Portel 11,00 BP weathered it quite well.
On a side note there are no dinosaurs depicted in any of the individual pieces or panels in the caves.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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Why is that? God wiped out all of the ancestors of Adam that had no spirit...check that soul?

I don't recall that in the Bible.



Me neither.

But, I was curious. Where do you draw the distinction between following the Biblical account vs the evolutionary account of Adam's earthly father with a local flood?

And, I guess a follow-up to that I was wondering if you believed that all of the inhabitants today are Noah's descendants?

Not to presuppose that you owe me any explanation or anything, mind you.


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