Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Explain to me the Voter ID Debate

Every state/locale has different election laws, some more fraud proof than the others. Voter registration rolls are purged for deaths and people no longer living in the district at different intervals, some might not be updated for decades. In a rural area like where I live it's not much of a problem, the election workers generally know everyone in the district and can recognize them on sight, it'd be pointless to try and vote as someone else where I live. However, take a big city like Chicago with many times the voters per voting district and the natural movement in and out of district means that you're virtually guaranteed not to know the people working the desk at the voting place. It would be extremely easy to walk in and vote as Bill Smith knowing that Bill died last year and the rolls haven't been updated. Same thing with people who have moved out of the district. Signatures are a joke, just wrap your hand in gauze and explain that you have to sign left handed because you broke your thumb yesterday. The last signature they have from "Bill Smith" might be from 1969 also, signatures change over time.

When called on the issue the Democrats always claim there's little proof of voter fraud. Of course there's little proof, the system now is specifically designed so you can't track fraud, that's the whole point of making voters show an ID! The claim that ID's are a hardship is bull, everyone has an ID nowadays, especially minorities who have to have one to get on government benefits.

All of the excuses from the left against voter ID laws are complete bunk and show their true colors. The only possible reason someone could be against showing an ID to vote is because their group is benefitting from vote fraud.

I've said it several times in the past few weeks but if you have concerns about voter fraud become an Election Judge and challenge those who you have reason to believe are voting illegally.
In MN ANYONE at all can challenge the validity of a voter. These ballots are not counted on election day but are instead placed in a separate box for Provisional ballots to be scrutinized by a bipartisan board to ascertain their validity.

Become an Election Judge and see the process from beginning to end and do your bit to prevent voter fraud.

As to Rednecks assertion that registered voters can vouch for others that is indeed true but if he were an Election Judge (or even merely a citizen) in MN he'd have every right to challenge those vouched for voters and if these voters were found to have committed voter fraud both the voter and the voucher would be subject to whatever penalties the law provides for said crime.

Its a solution in search of a problem; in reality designed to disenfranchise groups who traditionally vote Democratic.

Voter fraud is exceedingly rare (see p. 6 here: http://archive.demos.org/pubs/Analysis.pdf); certainly not a large enough problem to warrant hampering the right to vote.

In a normal day of travel for me hear are the times I am required to show an ID:

1) Picking up Airline ticket
2) Checking in at security
3) Picking up rental car
4) Checking out of rental car lot
5) Signing into to get a badge at a secure office building
6) Anytime i right a check
7) Checking into a hotel

At least 7 times in normal day of business for me, but I do not
have to show one to vote. Please explain to me why the hotel
clerk at a local Holiday Inn Express is more concerned about
who I am, than the democrats are about making sure a legal
person is voting?

You have to register to vote, before you can vote. How far in advance varies by state. You have to be on the list to vote. No doubt there's some voter fraud; how big a problem it is may be anybody's guess. Back in 2008, Cutting Edge wrote a great article on it Voter Registration Fraud. It isn't that unregistered voters get to vote; it's more like gaping holes exists to screen those registering. Of course, if 3% of the registered voters are illegal, that's bad.

Both sides engage in forms of voter fraud. The Dems seem to wink, wink, nod , nod, at ineligible voters who they know will largely support them (although "Poll Guards" can also be intimidating. GOP fraud is grayer, in that it tends to focus on mechanisms to limit voter access in Dem-favorable districts, usually through the allocation of resources and polling locations (see Ohio 2004; and mysterious vote swings....

And nobody knows what the hell goes on inside computerized voting machines.

Would seem to be pretty simple: verify citizenship when someone registers. No big deal. That would virtually eliminate registration fraud. Keep paper ballots. I don't think absentee ballots make a big difference, if the registration is screened. stealing a ballot, or 100, isn't going to swing an election.

I really don't understand the voter ID debate. When I go to vote in Virginia, I am asked to show ID proving that I live where where I say - no issue.

Given the prevalence of false (and real looking) ID's, there should be no problem showing an ID if one wants to falsely vote.

Rampant voter fraud and attempts to restrict the military voting are long tenants of the Democrap Party. That is the main way they win elections.

Everyone should remember Gore attempting to stop the count of military votes and Tim Kaine(Gov in VA in 2008)ordered absentee ballots for military withheld until it was too late for them to get back in time for vote counts, while allowing 5000 convicted felons to vote in the same election.

One county in VA had more votes than residents. Wonder who they voted for?